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RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - Chunkster - 07-10-2015
quote:This really sums up the whole subject perfectly. The protesters have been shown that there are no real consequences to having broken the law. The TMT organization should sue the state if this continues.
Originally posted by rainyjim
I also think the national guard should be unecessary. If the HPD and DLNR did their jobs there would be no reason to send them in. As it stands the HPD, DLNR heads and the county prosecutor should all br releived immediately for gross negligence and disregard of the law.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-10-2015
The protestors have already crossed a line in the
The solution is not to step back and draw another line in the cinder.
County police or DNLR officers have the authority to enforce existing laws and make arrests, if necessary. If the protestors are using non-violent civil disobedience, what could the National Guard possibly do that local law enforcement isn't already capable of doing?
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - rainyjim - 07-10-2015
HOTPE,
The hope would be the national guard would actually enforce those laws, which apparently the HPD / DLNR aren't capable of doing.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - kalakoa - 07-10-2015
the proposed rules are full of terminology that will, if passed, end up in litigation.
I believe this is exactly the point. Think "lawyers" and "revolving door".
protesters have been shown that there are no real consequences to having broken the law.
Just another Fine Local Tradition from the Green Ghetto - Land of Shacks.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - MattKarma - 07-10-2015
...Astronomers finally want to build that 'proper house', but they just can't seem to get past that permit process... Maybe 1.4 b was too cheap, should have figured more like 3b.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - kalakoa - 07-10-2015
they just can't seem to get past that permit process...
More like, they got their permits from the wrong agency...
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - rainyjim - 07-10-2015
Latest I heard it was up to1.8b now. Can't seem to recall where I read that though, maybe someone else knows for sure.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - opihikao - 07-10-2015
FYI: Re: Emergency Rules Meeting (Being shown live - links above)
The DLNR Meeting agenda is here: http://dlnr.hawaii.gov/…/blnr…/land-board-submittals-071015/
Note in LARGE PRINT under Section C Item #2 *THIS ITEM WILL BE HEARD NO EARLIER THAN 1:00 PM* .
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - PunaMauka2 - 07-10-2015
"Calling out the National Guard would be the next biggest mistake by the State, the first being closing the road and Visitor's Center."
closing the visitor center is a bigger mistake than would be calling out the National Guard, really?
anyway, the only benefit of the doubt i can come up with in regard to the proposed restrictions to Mauna Kea access is that someone back there is figuring that these additional restrictions will in some way or another afford a strategic advantage in dealing with the illegal actions of the protestors (eventually...one of these days...finally).
if anyone calls BS on that notion, i have a mind to agree! ...i just try to put myself in the place of having to deal with activists salivating for a chance to play act being war crimes victims at the hands of tyrannical law enforcement storm troopers representing a US Empire illegally occupying and desecrating sacred indigenous lands.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - kalakoa - 07-10-2015
additional restrictions will in some way or another afford a strategic advantage
Only if the new restrictions are actually enforced.