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RE: The Great Spirit - Wao nahele kane - 07-17-2015
"I know that western transplants often do not attribute a sense of place to where they stay, and often times have no sense of karma, or a spiritual connection to their ancestors, so I wonder does that exempt them? Does karma only apply to those that believe in it? Do ancestral ties only bind those that acknowledge them?"
What we believe in becomes our personal individual construct and therefore we become a product of that construct (true or false to reality is irrelevant to those within their personal construct). Some of us prefer to trust more in those things that are verifiable and lean away from tale based beliefs in favor of those verifiable facts we ourselves and those around us can also experience and verify as real. Before science human beings relied upon fables to provide answers to questions. Some people remain largely mesmerized by such fables to this very day and accept them as reality be it through romanticism with the notions or a simple desire for it to be so, providing them some form of comfort, others have graduated to the realm of verification to quench our thirst for answers and within that is derived a freedom from the darker suicidal recesses of human imagination. The truth indeed shall set you free.
Think about where your construct lead you, to ponder suicide and afflictions of boastful attitudes? Have you nothing better to ponder or is that where your constructs keep you? If your construct keeps you there it's for a reason, a reason of unsettled self realization.
RE: The Great Spirit - kalakoa - 07-17-2015
there are over 500 tribes of North American Indians, and they all have their own cultures and values
There is only one tribe of White People, and they have only the one culture of Money and the value of Nothing.
Therefore it is perfectly acceptable, and even encouraged, to hate them for their soulless ways.
Right?
RE: The Great Spirit - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-17-2015
Expanding on what kalakoa (soulless ways) & Lodestone said (ignorant savages or superhuman mystics), it often seems white Americans are either portrayed as:
1) Fundamentalist, moralistic, fanatical, anti-science, literal true believers of the word of God and a world that is 6000 years old, or
2) Nihilistic, nonbelievers without any moral compass, following only their preferred Dionysian pleasures and the latest technological fix
RE: The Great Spirit - kalakoa - 07-17-2015
it often seems white Americans are either portrayed as
Thank you, this is exactly the "fair and balanced" I was looking for.
RE: The Great Spirit - Opihikaobob - 09-14-2015
quote:Beautiful opihikao
Originally posted by opihikao
Our Hawaiian culture is quite similar to our Native American/Indian brothers and sisters, who have also seen progress and change over generations. Mahalo to our brothers and sisters, for The Great Spirit we should embrace together.
If we all just pick five (5) or ten (10) of list below, the world could be a much better place for our keiki and mo'opuna. Maybe, even for ourselves.
Imua kakou. Aloha kekahi I kekahi.
(Now, back in "time out". [])
JMO.
NATIVE AMERICAN CODE OF ETHICS
1. Rise with the sun to pray. Pray alone. Pray often. The Great Spirit will listen, if you only speak.
2. Be tolerant of those who are lost on their path. Ignorance, conceit, anger, jealousy - and greed stem from a lost soul. Pray that they will find guidance.
3. Search for yourself, by yourself. Do not allow others to make your path for you. It is your road, and yours alone. Others may walk it with you, but no one can walk it for you.
4. Treat the guests in your home with much consideration. Serve them the best food, give them the best bed and treat them with respect and honor.
5. Do not take what is not yours whether from a person, a community, the wilderness or from a culture. It was not earned nor given. It is not yours.
6. Respect all things that are placed upon this earth - whether it be people or plant.
7. Honor other people's thoughts, wishes and words. Never interrupt another or mock or rudely mimic them. Allow each person the right to personal expression.
8. Never speak of others in a bad way. The negative energy that you put out into the universe will multiply when it returns to you.
9. All persons make mistakes. And all mistakes can be forgiven.
10. Bad thoughts cause illness of the mind, body and spirit. Practice optimism.
11. Nature is not FOR us, it is a PART of us. They are part of your worldly family.
12. Children are the seeds of our future. Plant love in their hearts and water them with wisdom and life's lessons. When they are grown, give them space to grow.
13. Avoid hurting the hearts of others. The poison of your pain will return to you.
14. Be truthful at all times. Honesty is the test of ones will within this universe.
15. Keep yourself balanced. Your Mental self, Spiritual self, Emotional self, and Physical self - all need to be strong, pure and healthy. Work out the body to strengthen the mind. Grow rich in spirit to cure emotional ails.
16. Make conscious decisions as to who you will be and how you will react. Be responsible for your own actions.
17. Respect the privacy and personal space of others. Do not touch the personal property of others - especially sacred and religious objects. This is forbidden.
18. Be true to yourself first. You cannot nurture and help others if you cannot nurture and help yourself first.
19. Respect others religious beliefs. Do not force your belief on others.
20. Share your good fortune with others.
May The Great Spirit Smile down on you and keep you and yours safe
May the trail rise up to meet you
May the wind be always at your back
May the sunshine warm upon your face
May the rain fall soft upon your fields
And until we meet again
May The Great Spirit hold your hand in the palm of his hand.
May there be Beauty above me
May there be Beauty below me
May there be Beauty within me
May there be beauty around me
May I always walk in Beauty,and May you also walk in Beauty for the rest of your lives.
I missed this thread somehow and was glad that I bumped into it.
although the very last part is beautiful as it is I would look at it like this:
There is Beauty above me
There is Beauty below me
There is Beauty within me
There is beauty around me
May I always walk in Beauty,and May you also walk in Beauty for the rest of your lives.
Navaho "Pollen Path" Link:
http://unurthed.com/2007/05/24/the-navajo-pollen-path/
I like this link http://threadsofspiderwoman.blogspot.com/2010/04/sacred-space.html A link to the native American "Pollen Path"
RE: The Great Spirit - Punatic007 - 09-14-2015
Another racist topic, again and again.
RE: The Great Spirit - Opihikaobob - 09-14-2015
quote:Care to explain yourself?
Originally posted by Punatic007
Another racist topic, again and again.
RE: The Great Spirit - Punatic007 - 09-14-2015
quote:
Originally posted by Opihikaobob
quote:Care to explain yourself?
Originally posted by Punatic007
Another racist topic, again and again.
Bob, feel free to ask me any questions. Right off the bat I can tell you this type of topic would be better suited for a culture preservation group, not Punaweb. Whenever you focus on one particular race/culture you create a mentality of us and them. It's not healthy, we are much more than that. The Big Island deserves more too, we deserve to live in an integrated non racial environment of equality.
I grew up with MLK(Martin Luther King Jr.) on the tube at night, my parents loved him. His dream was that we would all walk side by side some day. The only way to get there is to let go of us/them mental constructs, by focusing on the similarities of all people and disregarding racial prejudices or sterotypes.
Romanticizing native cultures seems to wind up with white people are deemed bad and natives are victims mentality. None of us lived then so it's really a negative hateful and revengeful waste of time.
Folks want to preserve their cultural heritage, whatever, do it in the proper place not in a group of mixed culture folk. I honestly can't relate to this topic, it seems like a manipulation to me. Indians were all over the board, from very peaceful to violent predatory tribe.
Lots of folk get adopted in this world, with no idea of who are their genetic ancestors. They seem to do just fine and get to sidestep the whole racial/cultural delineation game.
What matters is what you do in the present, do you do the best you can in life based on the golden rule without exception? Or do racial/cultural constraints need to be in place for you?
RE: The Great Spirit - Lee M-S - 09-14-2015
"There is no whit less enlightenment under the tree at the end of your street than there was under Buddha’s bo tree…”
#8213; Annie Dillard
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RE: The Great Spirit - dakine - 09-14-2015
007 wrote: I honestly can't relate to this topic..
So I guess the logical thing to ask is why are you bothering to participate? Can't people on PW have discussions in which other participants abstain because they don't relate? There's discussions about subdivision humbug, HPP is very popular, but I don't have zip to do with HPP. Should I chime in saying it's inappropriate to do that because it's not all inclusive?
007 also said: Whenever you focus on one particular race/culture you create a mentality of us and them. It's not healthy, we are much more than that...
And I wonder about this idea of how we all should be homogenized. What if some of us feel otherwise? Can't you imagine a PW that has room for both? That you can have your ideas, and others can share their ideas even if they happen to hold their particular cultural differences dear, and speak from a different world view than yours? What is it about cultural differences that threatens a healthy society? I don't think American is one size fits all, but IS a multi-cultural society where our difference are appreciated and we can live free side by side. At least I believe that's the American ideal.
Btw.. I do not think MLK was advocating that any culture abandon the aspects of their heritage that is precious to them. All he was advocating was the abandonment of hate and violence that comes between them. I personally believe understanding and appreciating and being empathetic of others and their cultural differences is what makes life so rich, so rewarding. That's what makes Hawaii such an awesome place to live!