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RE: The possible end of Cruise Ships in Hawaii - Aaron S - 12-11-2007
Greg, this is not a blog, it is a publicly accessible forum. Whatever is posted here is fair game, at least to me with no need to be credited to any one person.
Damon, geez you left a comment on my blog complaining about me poaching your find
(and you were complaining on here). Now
you don't want to talk about it. Please don't visit my blog then if you are going to
be such prick about it.
RE: The possible end of Cruise Ships in Hawaii - Guest - 12-11-2007
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Greg, this is not a blog, it is a publicly accessible forum. Whatever is posted here is fair game, at least to me with no need to be credited to any one person.
Damon, geez you left a comment on my blog complaining about me poaching your find
(and you were complaining on here). Now
you don't want to talk about it. Please don't visit my blog then if you are going to
be such prick about it.
Aaron, you can delete my comment left on your blog if it bothers you so much. sorry I can't talk about things on your schedule
Had you credited Punaweb, I wouldn't have left the comment.
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Edited by - damon on 12/11/2007 07:28:25
RE: The possible end of Cruise Ships in Hawaii - Tahunatics - 12-11-2007
While this might not be good for the economy, it is good news for the environment and marine life. I have personally witnessed mile long slicks of human waste dumped from cruise ships in the channels while sailing interisland. Everyone's been up in arms over the superferry, but it's the big cruise boats which have been killing the coral reefs and polluting the Hawaiian waters for decades. I'm personally tired of seeing these cruise boats impact over the years, and my great uncle 'Captain Jack' was one of the first as the Captain of the SS Matsonia which brought passengers to Hawaii from California long before there were airlines bringing them over.
RE: The possible end of Cruise Ships in Hawaii - Greg - 12-11-2007
Aaron, If you want to be seriously considered a Journalist, it would benefit you to credit your sources.
You may not care if others respect your integrity, after all it's "your" blog and you can write whatever you want. You are certain to have at least one reader.
To the issue stumbled upon by Damon: My business benefits indirectly from the Cruise Ship visitors, but I don't think the positives outweigh the negative impact they have on our environment. I won't miss them as much as Wal-Mart.
Edited by - greg on 12/11/2007 08:53:46
RE: The possible end of Cruise Ships in Hawaii - Aaron S - 12-11-2007
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Aaron, you can delete my comment left on your blog if it bothers you so much. sorry I can't talk about things on your schedule
Had you credited Punaweb, I wouldn't have left the comment.
I'm afraid you are mistaken. It seems to have riled you up more than myself. But I'll just leave it at that.
RE: The possible end of Cruise Ships in Hawaii - Guest - 12-11-2007
Aaron - I'm far from riled up on this issue.
Back to the real issue.
I'm more stoked about the possibility of the end of the people making money off the cruise ships.
Cruise ships are new to Hawaii (10 years and less at the volume they have been) The damage is being done with every ship that comes in.
Yes, I too have friends that rely upon the cruise ships for there jobs, however, I know that if they wanted to, they could get jobs elsewhere.
"Raping tourist for their money" as they come into port happens all over the place. Not just in Hawaii.
And people biyatch about the Superferry. (Don't even get me started on the HSF issue)
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Edited by - damon on 12/11/2007 20:07:13
RE: The possible end of Cruise Ships in Hawaii - Aaron S - 12-12-2007
My brother in law sells stuff at the farmers market here in Kona. A significant chunk of her
business comes from these cruise ships. So this could be potentially very bad news.
RE: The possible end of Cruise Ships in Hawaii - Guest - 12-12-2007
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My brother in law sells stuff at the farmers market here in Kona. A significant chunk of her
business comes from these cruise ships. So this could be potentially very bad news.
What was your B-I-L doing before the cruise ships came?
Relying on tourist to make money is very sketchy.
Think of what happened after 9/11.
I wish the best for your BIL, however, you might give him a heads up now that this might be coming down the pipes soon.
Is the product that he sells something that Local people wouldn't buy, therefore, the only people who he can sell it to, is the tourist?
He might think about his product if that's the case.
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Edited by - damon on 12/12/2007 13:56:11
RE: The possible end of Cruise Ships in Hawaii - Rob Tucker - 12-12-2007
Many areas of environmental significance find tourism to be a relatively clean industry. Everything has it's pluses and minuses but before the cruise and jet tourist industry there was sugar and there was pineapple. Harder ways to make a living are tough to find. Not coal mines but not too far off. The old timers I know here - people in their 80's and 90's now, don't miss the old days too much.
The chance to get a regular paycheck, wear clean clothes, have time and energy for your kids and not break your back was, to a large degree I believe, appreciated then and is appreciated now.
There are worst things than a tourist economy.
The State o Hawaii has, I have read, the highest per capita income and highest standard of living of the whole Pacific region. A case could be made to be careful what you wish for.
RE: The possible end of Cruise Ships in Hawaii - lotus - 12-12-2007
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Yes, I too have friends that rely upon the cruise ships for there jobs, however, I know that if they wanted to, they could get jobs elsewhere.
I don't completely rely on cruise ships for my business. However, It IS nice to have people come through the door on otherwise slow days who are just passing through. It's a nice supplement to my income. As far as "finding another job if i wanted to" I'm a business owner. I decided to become a business owner because I'm at a point in my career where I don't want to have a just a job. I suspect most of the people in this area who cater their businesses toward tourism are also either self employed or like what they do.
Cruise ships aside, it really seems like a lot of people hate tourists on this side of the island, but ya know many people who live here now (and treat it like their home) came here as tourists initially. Unless any of us were born and raised here, there isn't much room to judge.
As far as cruise ships go, I don't think it is such a bad thing to have them. I wish there were tighter rules about the environmental impact of large ships in these island, but not just cruise ships or ferries. Let's talk about barges, ocean liners, the military ships that come and go. They ALL have an impact. I just seems like people want to use the cruise ships as a cover to complain about tourism.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this side of the island could really benefit in a lot of ways from eco-tourism. Not the same thing as luaus, dinner cruises, para sailing and all the touristy thing that the rest of hawaii is known for, but a real effort to teach visitors about the culture, environment and history here (no the half-assed sh*t that goes on now)...