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RE: Widening of 130 not happening! - ericlp - 09-29-2016
quote:
Originally posted by SBH
Obviously their priority is to turn the median on Hwy 11 on the way to Hilo into a golf course. How much are they spending on that?
don't know, maybe you don't drive in rush hour?
But, it's pretty obvious from 6-8AM 11 is backed up all the way from keaau to wallmart.
So.... Before slowing it down even further by adding 2+ more lights to get across 11, they will be adding 1-2 lanes, hopefully they will do it right and add 2 more lanes. As that stretch of 11 can not handle all the mtview, and 130 traffic that get's funneled into it. So, yes, they will need to do something or else, what good is two lanes in HPP, if it's backed up all way way down 11?
Sigh, this should have been done years ago. Will be interesting to see how it slows down when repaving and making new lanes. Once this is done, I assume hopefully, there will be money to spend on 130.
RE: Widening of 130 not happening! - kalakoa - 09-29-2016
How do you "manage" subdivisions ... They are coming in droves!
Charge each new home a portion of the costs involved in building the infrastructure and services necessary to match the population increase. (This is current policy, but only applied to "developers", not individual homeowners.)
hopefully they will do it right and add 2 more lanes
State has made it clear that there will be no "new construction", only "maintenance".
this should have been done years ago
"They" have definitely been working on "this" for a decade or more. Unfortunately, "they" are focused on the wrong "this" -- I have no idea what "their" real agenda actually is.
RE: Widening of 130 not happening! - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-29-2016
don't know, maybe you don't drive in rush hour?
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How do you "manage" subdivisions that aren't even half way filled up yet?
All new Puna homeowners, beginning September 29th, 2016 may only purchase bright orange cars. Bright orange cars are not allowed on Highway 130 between the hours of 6&8 AM, and 3&7 PM, Monday through Friday.
No fathers or mothers think their own children ugly; and this self-deceit is yet stronger with respect to the offspring of the mind. -Miguel de Cervantes, novelist (1547-1616)
RE: Widening of 130 not happening! - shockwave rider - 09-29-2016
quote:
Originally posted by kalakoa
How do you "manage" subdivisions ... They are coming in droves!
Charge each new home a portion of the costs involved in building the infrastructure and services necessary to match the population increase. (This is current policy, but only applied to "developers", not individual homeowners.)
hopefully they will do it right and add 2 more lanes
State has made it clear that there will be no "new construction", only "maintenance".
this should have been done years ago
"They" have definitely been working on "this" for a decade or more. Unfortunately, "they" are focused on the wrong "this" -- I have no idea what "their" real agenda actually is.
There's an idea that will really increase the number of unpermitted houses being built and lived in!
The Highway costs are a state matter, it is a state road, systems development fees are a county matter, used to offset county costs of initial development.
Legally they cannot hit individuals with systems development charges on subdivisions that have already been approved. Hawaii County wanted the tax money for all these subdivisions, so they allowed them to be created, the time to charge system development fees would have been then. The developers who profited from creating the subdivisions have taken their money and run off, it is unfair for the county or state, or people like Kalakoa for that matter, to decide after the fact that these subdivisions are costing the county too much money because people actually want to live on the lots they bought. If Hawaii county doesn't want people to live in Puna they should not have allowed tens of thousands of residential lots to be developed here.
Now the county is going to have to just deal with the people who are moving to Puna to live in these subdivisions. Many of the people who are building houses in Puna already live here in Hawaii, most work in Hilo but cannot afford to pay $285,000 for a termite infested house on a postage stamp lot, which is what passes for "affordable housing" in Hilo.
RE: Widening of 130 not happening! - kalakoa - 09-29-2016
If Hawaii county doesn't want people to live in Puna they should not have allowed tens of thousands of residential lots to be developed here.
As pointed out elsewhere (ad nauseum) there are several solutions to "enhancing livability", not all of which require more roads for more cars to Drive To Hilo for everything.
It's pretty clear that County doesn't care. The time is ripe for "alternative solutions".
RE: Widening of 130 not happening! - alaskyn66 - 09-29-2016
Coming soon (not)... high speed rail.. Puna to Hilo.. and eventually to Kona.
..Bad boys,Bad boys what we gonna do...let ya out on bail for a buck or two...
RE: Widening of 130 not happening! - bluesboy - 09-29-2016
they should've made the Hwy 130 widening 10-20 feet wider so they could easily support 2 lanes in and out full time. what were they thinking there?
they should program lights coming into Hilo in the morning. the backup is caused by poorly timed lights.
RE: Widening of 130 not happening! - leilanidude - 09-29-2016
they should program lights coming into Hilo in the morning. the backup is caused by poorly timed lights.
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Exactly. There is no excuse for the poor performance by the traffic engineering group. They installed the inductive loops and cameras for a reason. Maybe they should actually try to fix the issue.
RE: Widening of 130 not happening! - Kapoho Joe - 09-29-2016
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
don't know, maybe you don't drive in rush hour?
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How do you "manage" subdivisions that aren't even half way filled up yet?
All new Puna homeowners, beginning September 29th, 2016 may only purchase bright orange cars. Bright orange cars are not allowed on Highway 130 between the hours of 6&8 AM, and 3&7 PM, Monday through Friday.
I like this!
RE: Widening of 130 not happening! - shockwave rider - 09-29-2016
quote:
Originally posted by kalakoa
If Hawaii county doesn't want people to live in Puna they should not have allowed tens of thousands of residential lots to be developed here.
As pointed out elsewhere (ad nauseum) there are several solutions to "enhancing livability", not all of which require more roads for more cars to Drive To Hilo for everything.
It's pretty clear that County doesn't care. The time is ripe for "alternative solutions".
You do this weird thing where you quote a snippet from a post and then just go off on an unrelated tangent. You suggested individuals should have to pay a system development fee to build on their own property, in an already developed subdivision, as a way to discourage population growth in Puna, I responded to that point, you quoted a tiny piece of my response and went off on a tangent about cars and roads not being the solution, when I had said nothing about that. Almost as if you are having a conversation in your head.
Right now, in the real life present time, people who live in Puna and work, mostly work in Hilo; as great as it would be to already live in some rosy future where everyone telecommutes (which is how I can live in Kapoho) the present, and the imminent future of the next 20 years, will have most people driving to Hilo from Puna to work. As long as the only two places in the state where housing costs match up with Hawaii wages are Ka'u and Puna, people will continue to live there and drive to Hilo and Waikaloa for work. All the pie in the sky coulda woulda shoulda isn't going to change that.
Hawaii county got greedy and took a gamble that no one would ever actually want to live here and allowed subdivisions to be created with no thought of infrastructure, they didn't even make them put in "standard" quality private roads! Now people are living here, more all the time, and the government has no interest in making it work.