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RE: Why we don't have more wind farms in Hawaii - bananahead - 10-06-2016
the wave power thing is online now, just did a few weeks back... mid Sept
http://phys.org/news/2016-09-wave-produced-electricity-online-hawaii.html
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RE: Why we don't have more wind farms in Hawaii - alaskyn66 - 10-06-2016
Why we don't have wind farms everywhere yet... no profit in it.
.. wait a few years. It will become more profitable.
RE: Why we don't have more wind farms in Hawaii - ElysianWort - 10-06-2016
I agree with HOTPE. Geothermal seems like the obvious way to go on our island. Isn't there anywhere they can set up that is isolated and not nearby a residential subdivision?
RE: Why we don't have more wind farms in Hawaii - kalakoa - 10-06-2016
anywhere they can set up that is isolated and not nearby a residential subdivision?
These land-use problems were created by "faux residential" zoning in the first place; that part isn't PGV's fault.
In any case, the neighbors will complain about (and file lawsuits against) any new geothermal operation no matter where it is located, and for the same reason.
RE: Why we don't have more wind farms in Hawaii - Chas - 10-06-2016
Well, I'm surely not going to post a link [
], but google "How much does the government subsidize oil?"
RE: Why we don't have more wind farms in Hawaii - Eric1600 - 10-07-2016
One could make the argument that sometimes we need to invest in better cleaner sources of energy and that might not make "sense" in economic terms, but in other terms it could be considered necessary.
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bananahead:
IMO, they are ugly and kill birds.. and Hawaii is big on saving native birds. Ive never read anything just heard from others this is some of the reason...
They don't kill birds. Early designs did because of their higher rotational speeds, but due to new gearing designs they turn slowly and don't pose a hazard to birds. The link you included about birds dying was due to stadium lights.
RE: Why we don't have more wind farms in Hawaii - VancouverIslander - 10-07-2016
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Originally posted by Chas
Well, I'm surely not going to post a link [
Just don`t include the foreign tax credit, as that is merely credit for taxes paid in the country of operation, for example when a US company is taxed for it`s operations in Canada, Brittain or Venezuela.
Me ka ha`aha`a,
Mike
RE: Why we don't have more wind farms in Hawaii - Kapoho Joe - 10-07-2016
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Originally posted by Chas
Well, I'm surely not going to post a link
At least you're learning something.
RE: Why we don't have more wind farms in Hawaii - Guest - 10-07-2016
This video shares some interesting tidbits about wind farms out at South Point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY-bxSO82qI
Looks like the South Point area gets plenty of strong wind.
RE: Why we don't have more wind farms in Hawaii - terracore - 10-07-2016
"The APWRA is one of the oldest wind farms in the country and one of the largest in the world originally with around 5,000 turbines. Worldwide, such facilities have been responsible for the deaths of 140,000 to 328,000 birds and 500,000 to 1.6 million bats, raising questions about their effects on population sustainability." https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160929143808.htm
Now imagine trying to scale the number of wind farms up, the effect on the ecosystem scales proportionally.
Solar the answer? This single solar plant is killing 6,000 birds/year. (When they get fried and fall to the ground trailing smoke the operators of the plant call them "streamers") http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-solar-bird-deaths-20160831-snap-story.html
I haven't fact-checked the math but the reports that deaths-per-megawatt produced seem to favor fossil fuels as the safest form of mass energy production.
The only "real" solution as this planet continues to industrialize is "too cheap to meter" energy production:
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2015/08/lockheed-martin-compact-fusion-reactor.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_beta_fusion_reactor