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RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - PaulW - 06-18-2017 Interesting! If you have supplies for 10 days you could turn around at the 5th day, or just go for it. Then again, maybe they figured out how to keep going for longer by catching rain. Food would still be a problem, or maybe not... RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 06-18-2017 Nainoa looked a little less cheerful and said he figured a lot of people got lost. That's probably true of many expeditions into the unknown. We always hear about the great successes, occasionally we'll discover the remnants of near misses or outright failures, but certainly many others were never heard from again and remain forgotten. The shear expanse of the Pacific Ocean probably accounted for a large number of people who never made it back. Any return trip from a journey where no land was spotted would no doubt require both great skill and a lot of luck, an exacting navigator, favorable winds, regular rain showers, and good fishing along the way. RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - Eric1600 - 06-19-2017 According to this good documentary where I linked at the point where they talk about Hawaiian arrival: https://youtu.be/zqLDTFTqToU?t=805 They spent generations tracking the Pacific Golden Plover (Kolea) and sailing back and forth until they finally located Hawaii. Polynesian suspected the birds might be heading for islands they hadn't yet explored so they followed the flock into the wild waters of the North Pacific they couldn't keep up with the streams of birds for long so each year they would wait at the same place they'd lost sight of the birds the year before and pick up the chase when the plovers passed overhead in a remarkable feat of generational stamina the Polynesians tracked the plovers for almost 400 years but it paid off Recently scientific research on the Plover shows that this is a highly possible scenario. Plovers are ideal subjects for this kind of research because they return to the same wintering territories every year, so scientists know exactly where to go to find a particular individual. "They're so strongly site-faithful that we can predict where they will be with almost 100 per cent accuracy," explains Johnson. "If they're alive, it's almost certain they will come back to the same place. https://phys.org/news/2011-06-plovers-tracked-pacific.html RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 06-19-2017 Thanks for the post Eric1600. When I read in your link how fast plovers can fly, it certainly explained why Polynesian sailors weren't able to keep up for long at any one time. Four days from Alaska to Hawaii? That's incredible: Plovers are well-known as fast flyers, and in this study some birds reached incredible speeds... the ground speeds of three individuals ranged from 167 to an exceptional 185 kilometres per hour. RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - Guest - 06-21-2017 An incredible and epic speech given by Nainoa Thompson. http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2017/06/20/video-nainoa-thompsons-epic-hokulea-return-speech/ Wow, Nainoa's speech gave me some serious chicken skin. RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - VancouverIslander - 06-21-2017 It's not that hard to get back to Hawaii even with crude instruments. From California, the 500km long Island chain takes up about 8° of the horizon, so you don't have to be tremendously accurate as long as you keep track of where you started. Polynesian navigators were very familiar with the stars and ocean currents. Hokulea's trip to Tahiti (a much smaller target) using traditional navigation methods proved this point. Me ka ha`aha`a, Mike RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - bystander - 06-21-2017 I came across this story of native navigation back in the days when it was a matter of life or death. The people on the ship were lucky to have survived. I would have been really angry at the captain if I was there to say the least. I have copied just the first paragraph as an enticement to read the rest. The story is a bit down in the pdf file. http://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/10524/47/2/AR12.pdf quote: RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - MarkP - 06-21-2017 I have to say that although I have always thought that the Hokulea was just about the coolest thing ever, a steady diet of anti-TMT drivel disguised in an overly enthusiastic celebration of all things Hawaiian has dampened my enthusiasm even for the Hokulea. RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - Eric1600 - 06-22-2017 MarkP, I understand but don't forget that even here on the big island surveys have shown that more than 50% native Hawaiians support TMT, on Oahu it's supported by an even larger percentage. RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - Chunkster - 06-22-2017 I have also found my enthusiasm for Hokulea dampened by the TMT debacle. While I know that many, if not most, Native Hawaiians support the TMT, their apparent willingness to let the protesters dominate the Hawaiian cultural element of the debate does not portend well for the future of either the TMT or Hawaiian culture. |