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RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - PaulW - 06-18-2017

Interesting! If you have supplies for 10 days you could turn around at the 5th day, or just go for it.
Then again, maybe they figured out how to keep going for longer by catching rain. Food would still be a problem, or maybe not...


RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 06-18-2017

Nainoa looked a little less cheerful and said he figured a lot of people got lost.

That's probably true of many expeditions into the unknown. We always hear about the great successes, occasionally we'll discover the remnants of near misses or outright failures, but certainly many others were never heard from again and remain forgotten.

The shear expanse of the Pacific Ocean probably accounted for a large number of people who never made it back. Any return trip from a journey where no land was spotted would no doubt require both great skill and a lot of luck, an exacting navigator, favorable winds, regular rain showers, and good fishing along the way.


RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - Eric1600 - 06-19-2017

According to this good documentary where I linked at the point where they talk about Hawaiian arrival:

https://youtu.be/zqLDTFTqToU?t=805

They spent generations tracking the Pacific Golden Plover (Kolea) and sailing back and forth until they finally located Hawaii.

Polynesian suspected the birds might be
heading for islands they hadn't yet
explored so they followed the flock into the wild
waters of the North Pacific
they couldn't keep up with the streams
of birds for long
so each year they would wait at the same
place they'd lost sight of the birds the
year before and pick up the chase when
the plovers passed overhead
in a remarkable feat of generational
stamina the Polynesians tracked the
plovers for almost 400 years but it
paid off


Recently scientific research on the Plover shows that this is a highly possible scenario.

Plovers are ideal subjects for this kind of research because they return to the same wintering territories every year, so scientists know exactly where to go to find a particular individual. "They're so strongly site-faithful that we can predict where they will be with almost 100 per cent accuracy," explains Johnson. "If they're alive, it's almost certain they will come back to the same place.

https://phys.org/news/2011-06-plovers-tracked-pacific.html




RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 06-19-2017

Thanks for the post Eric1600.
When I read in your link how fast plovers can fly, it certainly explained why Polynesian sailors weren't able to keep up for long at any one time. Four days from Alaska to Hawaii? That's incredible:

Plovers are well-known as fast flyers, and in this study some birds reached incredible speeds... the ground speeds of three individuals ranged from 167 to an exceptional 185 kilometres per hour.



RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - Guest - 06-21-2017

An incredible and epic speech given by Nainoa Thompson.

http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2017/06/20/video-nainoa-thompsons-epic-hokulea-return-speech/

Wow, Nainoa's speech gave me some serious chicken skin.


RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - VancouverIslander - 06-21-2017

It's not that hard to get back to Hawaii even with crude instruments. From California, the 500km long Island chain takes up about 8° of the horizon, so you don't have to be tremendously accurate as long as you keep track of where you started. Polynesian navigators were very familiar with the stars and ocean currents. Hokulea's trip to Tahiti (a much smaller target) using traditional navigation methods proved this point.

Me ka ha`aha`a,
Mike


RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - bystander - 06-21-2017

I came across this story of native navigation back in the days when it was a matter of life or death. The people on the ship were lucky to have survived. I would have been really angry at the captain if I was there to say the least. I have copied just the first paragraph as an enticement to read the rest. The story is a bit down in the pdf file.

http://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/10524/47/2/AR12.pdf

quote:
VOYAGE OF THE SCHOONER
"TETAUTUA"
(Prepared and read before the Hawaiian Historical Society at its
Annual Meeting in Honolulu, December 2nd, 1904)
Early in the year 1898 the clipper schooner Tetautua was
lost to its bearings about a week out of Papeete, Tahiti, and
eighty-two days from the beginning of the voyage arrived at
the port of Hookena, Hawaii, this group. The story of the
trip, in several particulars, is one, or makes one of the most
remarkable accounts of unusual navigation in the Pacific
Ocean. As news editor of the Daily Advertiser newspaper
of this city the writer published in that journal on May 27,
1898, the following:
"The little schooner Tetautua (in Hawaiian, Kekaukua)
from Tahiti, arrived in port early yesterday morning in command
of Deputy Sheriff Lazaro of Hookena, who was detailed
by Sheriff Andrews to bring her to this port for the purpose
of having matters arranged with the Consul here in order to
admit of the schooner returning to Tahiti, the home of the peo
ple now aboard. The schooner arrived off this port at 9:30
o'clock Wednesday night, but it was not deemed proper to bring
her in at that time. Deputy Sheriff Lazaro called in at this
office last evening ,and gave a most interesting account of his
experiences with Captain Tanau (in Hawaiian, Kanau) and
the people on the vessel, all of whom, the half-caste Frenchman
(son of the owner) excepted, are pure Tahitians. Said Lazaro:
"The Tetautua arrived in Hookena on May 21st. There
was an abundance of food, such as flour and rice, aboard, but
no firewood with which to cook it. As to water, it happened
that three days before sighting Hawaii they were blessed with
a shower which gave them about three gallons. Previous to
this they had suffered for many days from thirst. When the
schooner arrived at Hookena the people aboard were in a pitiable
state



RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - MarkP - 06-21-2017

I have to say that although I have always thought that the Hokulea was just about the coolest thing ever, a steady diet of anti-TMT drivel disguised in an overly enthusiastic celebration of all things Hawaiian has dampened my enthusiasm even for the Hokulea.


RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - Eric1600 - 06-22-2017

MarkP, I understand but don't forget that even here on the big island surveys have shown that more than 50% native Hawaiians support TMT, on Oahu it's supported by an even larger percentage.


RE: Crowds welcome Hokulea home to Oahu - Chunkster - 06-22-2017

I have also found my enthusiasm for Hokulea dampened by the TMT debacle. While I know that many, if not most, Native Hawaiians support the TMT, their apparent willingness to let the protesters dominate the Hawaiian cultural element of the debate does not portend well for the future of either the TMT or Hawaiian culture.