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RE: As the earth COOLS, the tropics is the place to be - Kelena - 02-10-2008
Again, the premise is mistaken. The Northern Hemisphere is getting WARMER on the whole (along with more extreme weather in both directions). But generally, every place, every place is getting warmer. That's why polar bears are dying. The ice floes they counted on to fish from are gone.
What this means for Hawaii (here's the segue!) is that, according to predictions, the ocean levels will rise. My place is about 40 feet above sea level (about 10 feet above the cliff level). The current prediction, per a recent article in the Honolulu advertiser, is that sea levels will rise by significantly by the end of the century. There is a concern that this timetable could be accelerating. One thing is clear, based on science: Kaloli Point may be completely awash in 100 years unless we do something...and perhaps even IF we do something.
Kapoho? Aloha O Kapoho.
Anyway, the Northern Hemisphere is getting WARMER, not cooler.
If this warming continues, seas will rise.
When seas rise, Hawaii will change. It is not as vulnerable as certain South Pacific islands, near New Zealand. These low lying islands are vanishing now, and New Zealand is taking in immigrants from these islands.
http://www.countercurrents.org/cc-marks271006.htm
RE: As the earth COOLS, the tropics is the place to be - Rob Tucker - 02-10-2008
Waikiki and Honolulu would certainly be vulnerable to a rise in sea level.
RE: As the earth COOLS, the tropics is the place to be - aprild - 02-11-2008
Aloha all,
I didn't read any of the links posted here and those articles might have mentioned the following. It is my understanding that, while the earth is warming, when all the arctic ice has melted, thus throwing a considerable amount of fresh water into the Atlantic, the North Atlantic Drift will be altered, and will no longer bring moderate temperatures to Europe and Northern climes. This will set in motion the cooling of Earth and cause a mini (or larger) Ice Age.
I haven't researched this lately, so please forgive the rough outline.
How this will affect Hawaii other than rising sea levels, I'm not certain. Will Hawaii stay warm? I haven't researched this possibility. Can we know for certain what exactly will happen anywhere? I do think one thing will be certain--more extreme weather. Hawaii could be drenched in rain and hit by ever larger hurricaines.
I really doubt that there will be any area on earth where climate change will have no effect since weather patterns are a gestalt.
april
RE: As the earth COOLS, the tropics is the place to be - Guest - 02-11-2008
I bite...
Here in Hawaii, the average temperatures have risen by half a degree each decade since record-keeping began in 1950.
The Mauna Loa Climate Observatory was the first to document a steady increase in the atmospheric carbon dioxide levels more than 30 years ago.
According to this blog
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RE: As the earth COOLS, the tropics is the place to be - oink - 02-11-2008
If I understood the original post correctly, it wasn't disputing the effect of greenhouse gases. It wasn't denying that we could be experiencing some global warming, as a result of greenhouse gas emissions. It was suggesting that, compared to the great energy engine that is the sun, our greenhouse gas emissions are like a bug splat on a windshield. If the sun is entering a cooling phase, the current greenhouse gas emissions will be mostly irrelevant. Invest now in carbon emitting industries, as these will soon be in demand for use as mitigators for a cooling sun. We must immediately research ways to enhance greenhouse emissions from the volcano, as this could be a major federally funded project and provide many jobs for Puna residents. (Note Puna link)
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: As the earth COOLS, the tropics is the place to be - gtill - 02-11-2008
You mean I could build a wood/gas generator in volcano region for electric generation? It's not going to destroy the ozone?
RE: As the earth COOLS, the tropics is the place to be - oink - 02-11-2008
Yes, anything to increase greenhouse gases would help. The ban on smoking at the beach must go too. Every cigar smoked could help. And more cows for more cow farts.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: As the earth COOLS, the tropics is the place to be - Guest - 07-19-2008
To understand the co2 / temp correlation you have to understand "Henry's Law".
If you have made beer you know that it is easier to dissolve co2 into liquid if the liquid is cold.
We know that the sun has been in the hottest state in the last 70 years compared to the last 11,000 years.
We know this has caused warming on Earth and the other planets in the Solar system.
Just a fraction of a degree rise in ocean temps release giga-tons of co2 from sea water into the atmosphere.
You can see this if you take any of Al Gores temp/co2 charts and over lay the lines.
I know people want to believe in anthropogenic global warming but it just aint so.
The most abundant and powerful green house gas we have is water vapor. it not only causes a greenhouse effect but it also reflects infrared radiation.
In time the sun will change it's behavior and the Earth will cool again and the oceans will dissolve into solution much of the co2.
Crops will fail, famine, disease and war will be the result..
But on the upside Hawaii's temps and climate will be moderated by the Pacific so we'll be in good shape.
RE: As the earth COOLS, the tropics is the place to be - aprild - 07-20-2008
I doubt anyone can predict accurately what the future climate of any locale will be--even Hawaii's. I felt pretty confident that HI would remain temperate with rain on the rainy side continuing, but then I read on Punaweb that the Trades brought the rain and they could change.
Staying out of the debate about what is causing climate change, but focusing on the agreement that it is changing and, for now, getting warmer, we see that glaciers and arctic and antartic ice is melting and that sea levels are rising. So we know that Hawaii has been affected already and will continue to be affected--no matter what the root cause.
How do we know that the Pacific will continue to moderate the temps and climate in the same way that it does now?
(This is a real question, not meant rhetorically.) I know that computer models make predictions, but who knows what really will happen or what the time frame will be?
april
RE: As the earth COOLS, the tropics is the place to be - Jon - 07-20-2008
I don't see Hawaii in the list, but here how do of that Temperature data is collected...
http://surfacestations.org/
Transplanted Texan