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RE: Bar fights and the Smoking Ban: HPD says related! - Kelena - 02-14-2008
Yes, that is ironic. The unhealthy one that promotes violence is tolerated and encouraged while the other one that pacifies and calms is not. The reason is that one is perceived to be a social lubricant, and thus good for business, whereas the other is perceived as being promotive of attitudes that are not productive for business.
RE: Bar fights and the Smoking Ban: HPD says related! - Nate SC - 02-14-2008
Come on ?? really ?/ none of you has ever seen " Billy beer balls" at a dive bar ? None of you has ever met an "instant A-hole just add alcohol"?. WTF is a "cabaret" license & why do they need to serve till 4am, thats the real question ????.
I have also said this for many years, 99 men in a room drinking alcohol and hanging out, no problems at all. Add one female to the room and all hell breaks loose.
"Hapee balentimes dayyyyy"
RE: Bar fights and the Smoking Ban: HPD says related! - LeeE - 02-14-2008
Yes Glen, it is ironic, no?
Plus, the authorities be working both sides of the street, if you gather my meaning, har, har...
I'd like to see lowest priority legislation, but I understand the powders that be are now considering some excellent local legislative proposals in this area, so we'll see.
Peace and abundance for all!
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
It is the will of Landru.
Ciao!
RE: Bar fights and the Smoking Ban: HPD says related! - Guest - 02-15-2008
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Originally posted by Nate SC
.... WTF is a "cabaret" license & why do they need to serve till 4am, thats the real question ????....
Cabaret license. A cabaret license shall be general only (but excluding alcohol) and shall authorize the sale of liquors for consumption on the premises. This license shall be issued only for premises where food is served, facilities for dancing by the patrons are provided, including a dance floor, and live or amplified recorded music or professional entertainment, except professional entertainment by a person who performs or entertains unclothed, is provided for the patrons; provided that professional entertainment by persons who perform or entertain unclothed shall be authorized by:
See Class 11
Why till 4:00 AM... Because there is a market.[
] I know a lot of places don't even pick up activity until after about 11:00 PM.-------------
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RE: Bar fights and the Smoking Ban: HPD says related! - jdirgo - 02-16-2008
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except professional entertainment by a person who performs or entertains unclothed
Oh the mind just REELS with the various jokes that come to mind...
So, you can get a class 5 license (I suppose that must close at 2am) and have a standard bar, a nekkid entertainment venue or a so-called "hostess bar", but to stay open until 4am, you have to have have a class 11 license and fire all your nekkid entertainers.
Interesting. Foolish, but interesting.
If it were up to me, I'd lump all the things that could potentially irritate the neighbors (hostess bar, nekked entertainment and staying open until 4am) into one license class that was REALLY hard to get and put everyone else running a bar into another class that covered dance bars/clubs and most things you associate with a bar and that closed at 2am.
Oh, and that expanded 4am/nekkid/hostess bar would allow smoking indoors. I mean, the risk is relatively low. The patrons would probably be at higher risk from something transmittable and communicable then they would be from smoke. <get your minds out of the gutter; the gutter is full -- oh, OK then, I'll move over>
The highest risk job would be cleaning up after closing at such a place. OSHA would probably shut them down or at least require bio-hazard suits. I know I'd be scrubbing my entire body with Lysol.
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RE: Bar fights and the Smoking Ban: HPD says related! - Hayduke - 02-17-2008
Oh Geez I suppose I should enact some kind of awkward introduction. My name is not actually Hayduke, but the moniker best encapsulates my personality, pretty much. Anyhow- I'm just a small bit of superfluous overflow from the Kona side.
At any rate- that tiny bit of narcissism aside, I posted a bit about this very subject at the Ghost-town Hawaii Tribune message board, which you can find here:
http://forum.hawaiitribune-herald.com/viewtopic.php?t=192
Because their is quite the defined line between alcohol and violence amongst a certain couple of overlapping demographics in our society- chiefly fringe element alcoholics/addicts and felons who suffer from alcoholism/drug addiction. It's pretty easy to trace the line from one statistic to the next. I haven't seen a definite trend amongst smokers, thought truth be told I didn't really pursue that line of thought as it seems a little goofy. But hey- maybe smoking makes people indignant! I know a lot of smokers have seemed pretty indignant since talk of a smoking ban began way back when.
Anyhow- here's the basic gist of my dialog over there:
quote:
I was reading about the overcrowding of our prisons and an interesting thought hit me: if they regulated alcohol more specifically- on a person by person basis, according to how susceptible one is to alcohol problems- they would probably decrease crime by quite a lot.
I spent a day in court a while back dealing with an old ticket for my dogs being out (I was the only one in that room who plead guilty!) I sat there through half a day of people feigning contrition and making excuses, and the common theme seemed to be that most everyone did something stupid while drunk.
I bet if we could have breathalizers on our ignitions a lot of potential drunk drivers would stay home and live. Also if we had a scan on our state ID/Drivers license that allowed you to buy alcohol then when someone got a DUI or got into trouble with booze, the judge would have the recourse of taking that privilege away.
I've spent a lot of times in AA meetings too, over the years- and I've seen a LOT of people who were remanded there by the courts who would just show up, get their paper signed and split. Education is an important part of that too. People just aren't very well informed early on in life about the nature of addiction. Education at a young age in the areas of substance abuse and psychology would benefit our society greatly. There are people who can drink moderately and people who just can't seem to do that, and there isn't much of a gray area between the two groups. It's pretty definite. Of course the alcohol cartel/cabal would never want any of this to happen, as it would result in a huge dent in their bottom line. And guess who are a huge contributor to political campaigns? Along with the tobacco guys, the booze industry really gets in there and makes lots of friends in government.
Legalizing pakalolo would also free up some space in jail. In my opinion pakololo is actually a really dramatic step in the right direction from drinking booze. You put ten meatheads in a nightclub drinking all night and they fight in the parking lot at closing time. You get them all stoned on the Puna Butter and they're grinding at Kona Mix Plate right next to the cops hours before the bars close, having a bonfire somewhere or falling asleep watching reruns of Hawaii 5-0. Weed seems to have a much more pleasant effect on alcoholics than alcohol does. Just my observation (and I don't smoke weed. I just can't handle out of control drunks. They talk too loud and repeat themselves a lot.)
I think Hawaii would be smart to be the model and to enact radical change for the positive and regulate their booze and make our world a better place and help the boozers to help themselves.
Another angle along that same line is that (aside from the government sanctioned takeover of Hawaii initiated by white American businessmen) nothing has had a worse effect for Polynesians than the introduction of alcohol, tobacco and junk food.
And I don't agree with prohibition- I'd like to see a system that has gradations of allowance, determined on a person by person basis according to their police sheet, a really thorough alcohol evaluation (which would be required whenever you had an incident involving the law), and hopefully in the future the DNA information that they will someday figure out that shows why some people are more susceptible to addiction.
Anyhow- that was my thought. Get on it and run with it.