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RE: Volcanic eruptions and land values in HPP - kalakoa - 05-05-2018
I hate to bring up the tired old argument about zoning, but: like all the others, Leilani isn't "residential", no building permits should ever have been issued on a rift zone, everyone who created and signed off on that subdivision should be sued.
Not to belittle the loss -- but it really shouldn't have been allowed, and the emergency response cost will probably exceed the value of property taxes collected.
RE: Volcanic eruptions and land values in HPP - Durian Fiend - 05-05-2018
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Originally posted by kalakoa
everyone who created and signed off on that subdivision should be sued...
No, they shouldn't. Probably are dead or hardly alive anyway, since it was created in 1964.
RE: Volcanic eruptions and land values in HPP - riversnout - 05-06-2018
Realtor.com shows 3 houses that have recently sold. ouch.
https://i.snag.gy/g84p0h.jpg
RE: Volcanic eruptions and land values in HPP - Rob Tucker - 05-06-2018
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Originally posted by Durian Fiend
quote:
Originally posted by kalakoa
everyone who created and signed off on that subdivision should be sued...
No, they shouldn't. Probably are dead or hardly alive anyway, since it was created in 1964.
It is not the individuals who would be liable. It is the County that approved the subdivision. Government officials cannot be personally held liable for their official acts in the absence of outright fraud.
RE: Volcanic eruptions and land values in HPP - mella l - 05-06-2018
Is this true, that no building permits should be issued on a rift zone? I would love to read that on a county website. Do you know of a map of the rift zones that is available, convenient and up to date?
Aloha,
Mella L
quote:
Originally posted by kalakoa
I hate to bring up the tired old argument about zoning, but: like all the others, Leilani isn't "residential", no building permits should ever have been issued on a rift zone, everyone who created and signed off on that subdivision should be sued.
Not to belittle the loss -- but it really shouldn't have been allowed, and the emergency response cost will probably exceed the value of property taxes collected.
mella l
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RE: Volcanic eruptions and land values in HPP - Lodestone - 05-06-2018
quote:LOL you did better research than me. We bought in 2014 during the flow... I was thinking:
Originally posted by terracore
When we were looking for property in 2011 I did a lot of research
Leilani is at a higher elevation... the lava flow can't head this way
but against my better judgement we bought in HS:
We got a really great deal on this house in the path of flowing lava.
My heart goes out to Leilani Estates residents...there but for the grace of God...
RE: Volcanic eruptions and land values in HPP - kalakoa - 05-06-2018
Is this true, that no building permits should be issued on a rift zone?
Unfortunately, not; County requires permits even where buildings really shouldn't be built.
Do you know of a map of the rift zones that is available, convenient and up to date?
USGS has done some pretty good work, and their maps show Leilani in a rift zone.
It would almost be funny if it weren't tragic.
RE: Volcanic eruptions and land values in HPP - Hunt Stoddard - 05-06-2018
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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
"Buy land, they're not making it anymore.”
-- Mark Twain
Portion of Hawaii’s drinking water that comes from underground wells : 9/10
Gallons of raw sewage that leak into the ground from Hawaii cesspools each day : 53,000,000 - Harper's Index
Twain should have known better. He came to Hawaii.
RE: Volcanic eruptions and land values in HPP - VancouverIslander - 05-07-2018
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Originally posted by terracore
When we were looking for property in 2011 I did a lot of research and (I wish I had the link but have forgotten where I read it) an article talking about lava zone hazards talked about two things, areas that could be inundated with lava, and areas where lava could actually erupt from. It listed not just the east rift zone, but Leilani specifically as an area where lava would erupt from on a regular basis. I scratched it off the list of areas we would consider.
We bought our place in 2012. When we were starting to look, a real estate agent acquaintance on the Island said there was only one subdivision he'd buy a house in the Puna District - Leilani. His reasons were mostly sound. Good CC&Rs, strong association, good services. After researching a fair bit, we decided that sitting right on the rift zone in LZ1 wasn't a good investment and took our chances with the less desirable neighborhood out in Eden Roc.
That said, LZ3 is still a risk and I'm counting my blessings that Mauna Loa didn't have a massive eruption (yet). It's a game of probabilities and Leilani has been unfortunate to have two flows in the last century (although one was before the subdivision existed).
Short term I expect home values in Leilani to drop considerably even after the flow subsides in to the mid term. Longer term it will depend on how quickly physical signs of the eruption are removed. Eventually it will fade out of memory for most. HPP could experience a slight drop in the short term but generally continued rise in value as long as the North American economy keeps on ticking.
Me ka ha`aha`a,
Mike
RE: Volcanic eruptions and land values in HPP - VancouverIslander - 05-07-2018
quote:
Originally posted by mella l
Is this true, that no building permits should be issued on a rift zone? I would love to read that on a county website. Do you know of a map of the rift zones that is available, convenient and up to date?
Aloha,
Mella L
The rift zone and lava zones don't really change much over anything less than geological time frames (thousands of years) so a quick google of 'hawaii lava zone map' will find you what you want. Wikipedia uses a good one that displays the rift zones quite well:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Kilauea_Lava_Hazard_Map.gif
Me ka ha`aha`a,
Mike