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RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - Guest - 03-26-2008
Ok... will respond to this tomorrow... checking the calendar to make sure it's not April 1st yet.
You serious? [?] [
]You think it could pass a safety check?
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - gtill - 03-27-2008
Wow,any particulars like carb or efi? Further info would be greatly appreciated! This a local or internet purchase? Would the installer take any more business?
Thanks!
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - punafish - 03-27-2008
I'm wondering if this is H2 Technologies? If so, it's a local company. (Pahoa & Kona). Their website: www.h2-techs.com
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - JWFITZ - 03-27-2008
I'd be very very cautious. If it works, it does so not by running on hydrogen but on black magic.
There is no way you're going run a gas engine to spin an alternator to generate 1000 watts of current to electrolyze water to make hydrogen and get a 1000 watts more power out of that engine after injecting it. You'd be lucky to get 25 percent of it back. If you can, keep at it. Soon enough you'll create your own private sun.
One trip isn't enough data, as barometric pressure, humidity and temp can affect MPG pretty significantly. Gasoline's BTU per gallon is a poor figure as its volume and be +/- nearly 10 percent with heat. If you use super cool gasoline your MPG will be markedly higher. For example, drag racers often run the fuel lines through ice boxes to get a more powerful fuel charge.
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - Guest - 03-27-2008
quote:
Originally posted by JWFITZ
One trip isn't enough data,......
Especially a trip taken on a Holiday (Kuhio day) when there wasn't the normal amount of Traffic Between Kalapana and Kona. How many people were in the car with him on previous trips compared to this trip? etc???
I believe he may have made the trip, the problem I have with his "Results" are that they are self-reported at this time.
I'd be interested in further test results.
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - Rob Tucker - 03-27-2008
More info later. But Jay, most reasonably intelligent people are quite capable of calculating their gas milage and having awareness of how well their cars run and perform. No one was using super cool gasoline in an attempt to skew the result. I am just reporting what the Kona run produced. When he tells me he has never obtained more than 23 mpg and got 27.4 on this trip I just accept it.
Meanwhile. I am not a vendor of this system. I am just always curious about technology and maintain awareness that not all improvements come from "high tech". Some very good results can come from "low tech" too. So I keep my eyes open that's all.
If any of you want the direct line to the people doing this here's the number:
808-430-7781
Hey, tell `em you heard it on Punaweb. I will point out that one primary Punaweb purpose is to promote local businesses. It would be nice if what these local folks are selling actually works. Everyone gets to kick the tires. If it's black magic let's find out.
I remember years ago as a shop foreman for a geodesic dome manufacturer that while the engineers were busily doing their trig to determine various axial and dihedral angles I simply went into the shop and by making test cuts came up with the answers quicker. Physical versus theoretical.
Meanwhile let me entertain you with some more "low tech" black magic. Look for a new topic called Natural Road Building.
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - JWFITZ - 03-27-2008
Actually, I feel I'd have a pretty hard time determining MPG accurately without a couple of good thousand miles of data, so I'm not sure I agree. Everyone on this island gets better mpg when it's cool and rainy. Still, there is no arguing with results--once we satisfactorily get them--and nothing wrong with promoting local business. For myself I'd need a little better info and an explanation of what going on in the black box other than what I already know. Those oxy-hydro kits have been around for at least 50 years and in fad from time to time. They make great welders but. . .there's perpetual motion machines out there for sale too. And anti-gravity. And a time machine or two. People claim they work as well.
The road building bit is very cool.
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - Guest - 03-28-2008
Check out the video on this Blog
And see the Bio Beetle in action at about the 2:10 mark in the video.
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - Rob Tucker - 04-01-2008
My friend who is using the new fuel system reports his engine is running a bit cooler.
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - Guest - 04-01-2008
Are they running this system?
Do you think it would work with a Hybrid car?