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RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - Frank - 09-25-2018
quote:
Originally posted by MarkD
Third bay footage from 2015 (just past Pohoiki Bay) once again. Dangerous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc1NnZ1z1sM
ats some great footage...mahalo
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-25-2018
Actually, I believe it would come under the Coastal Zone Management Act of 1972.
In other words if the local guys touch it they have to answer to the big boys...
I agree. Management of makai & mauna lands is probably best under the protection of designated state and federal authorities. Otherwise self appointed yahoos are a threat to run roughshod with cinder, boulders, anything that moves, anywhere on the island.
On Tuesday night, 9/18/2018 Hawaii Senator Mazie Hirono had another message for the Republican senators on the Judiciary Committee “Just shut up and step up. Do the right thing.” She added in another related comment, “Bull$hit.”
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - kimo wires - 09-25-2018
The water trapped inside the boat ramp looks pretty stagnant. I wouldn't swim in that. County will probably try to dredge out the sand but It could fill back in quick. It would be an experiment. If they do try it they might find that it needs to be dredged periodically to keep it open.
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - glinda - 10-13-2018
Big Island: Why A New Beach Created By Lava May Doom A Popular Boat Ramp..
From: https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/10/big-island-why-a-new-beach-created-by-lava-may-doom-a-popular-boat-ramp/
The Pohoiki boat ramp, which until the recent Kilauea eruption played a key role in supplying a lot of the Big Island’s locally caught fish, is now separated from the ocean by about 14,000 cubic yards of black sand.
Puna’s only boat ramp nearly didn’t survive at all. Lava came within yards of the ramp, and actually covered some of the adjacent Isaac Hale Beach Park, including the lifeguard stands, before stalling in July. The cooling flows now block access to the area except for hikers, and a brand new, sparkling black sand beach has turned the cove by the ramp into a small pond.
A state engineer inspected the area last month, and the Division of Boating and Ocean Recreation announced it may be possible to clear a new channel to the intact boat ramp. But Mayor Harry Kim wants the new beach preserved and the whole area turned into a replacement for other recreational areas that disappeared under the lava.
“If it was a first-class pier, there would be a lot of second thought, but it was not,” Kim said. “It was a dangerous one.”
Treacherous waves and currents made entering and exiting the water there tricky even for experienced fishermen, and children playing in the ramp area made an extra hazard.
The opportunity to swim, surf and sunbathe has long been one compensation for living in one of the state’s poorest districts. For residents who’ve lost treasured local swimming spots such as the Kapoho Warm Ponds, the new pond at the old boat ramp may look like Pele’s gift.
But if Kim’s plan goes into effect and another ramp isn’t built elsewhere in the district, it would be bad news for Puna’s fishing community, which for decades has relied on the ramp to access fishing areas. The ramp, though notorious for its tricky currents and vicious waves, was one of the busiest in the state...
The entire article is at the link above..
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - Lolo - 10-13-2018
quote:Could you quantify how many in this 'fishing community' are affected? I mean real numbers.
Originally posted by glinda
Big Island: Why A New Beach Created By Lava May Doom A Popular Boat Ramp..
From: https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/10/big-island-why-a-new-beach-created-by-lava-may-doom-a-popular-boat-ramp/
The Pohoiki boat ramp, which until the recent Kilauea eruption played a key role in supplying a lot of the Big Island’s locally caught fish, is now separated from the ocean by about 14,000 cubic yards of black sand.
Puna’s only boat ramp nearly didn’t survive at all. Lava came within yards of the ramp, and actually covered some of the adjacent Isaac Hale Beach Park, including the lifeguard stands, before stalling in July. The cooling flows now block access to the area except for hikers, and a brand new, sparkling black sand beach has turned the cove by the ramp into a small pond.
A state engineer inspected the area last month, and the Division of Boating and Ocean Recreation announced it may be possible to clear a new channel to the intact boat ramp. But Mayor Harry Kim wants the new beach preserved and the whole area turned into a replacement for other recreational areas that disappeared under the lava.
“If it was a first-class pier, there would be a lot of second thought, but it was not,” Kim said. “It was a dangerous one.”
Treacherous waves and currents made entering and exiting the water there tricky even for experienced fishermen, and children playing in the ramp area made an extra hazard.
The opportunity to swim, surf and sunbathe has long been one compensation for living in one of the state’s poorest districts. For residents who’ve lost treasured local swimming spots such as the Kapoho Warm Ponds, the new pond at the old boat ramp may look like Pele’s gift.
But if Kim’s plan goes into effect and another ramp isn’t built elsewhere in the district, it would be bad news for Puna’s fishing community, which for decades has relied on the ramp to access fishing areas. The ramp, though notorious for its tricky currents and vicious waves, was one of the busiest in the state...
The entire article is at the link above..
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - TomK - 10-13-2018
How about including an estimate of how long this beach will survive?
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - leilanidude - 10-13-2018
Could you quantify how many in this 'fishing community' are affected? I mean real numbers.
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Based on counting the different boats...40-50 boats?
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - dan d - 10-14-2018
Dlnr fish reports which are public domain ,would show how vital a ramp it was for fishing
Both sport and commercial. I know many boats that went out of there every week. I have heard of many boats that fished out of there,now dont fish at all. Because its to far and costs to much in gas to get down there ,most of the palu ahi and ahi trolling starts there and continues to south point.
A lot of locally consumed fish , was from that ramp. Many fisherma had there own fads ( fish attracting device) 20 to 50 miles offshore. Those fads brought many thousands of pounds a week to the east side,as well as the income to the local economy. Thats all gone now.
Ad the cost to get there ,with the lower price to fisherman today, its not economical.
Ah sand at the ramp. 2 week of 10 to 15 ft surf will remove it. The administration wants a swim beach to negate the liability.How many millions have been paid out to mangled and killed swimmers to date injured at the ramp that sued the county?
How about a new launch ramp in old vacation land.
Federally paid 20 mil +. Is that part of the new 335 mil disaster monies to just the big island,
Proposed today, .8 billion disaster funding. 20 mil for enforcement of lava zone till
2020
http://bigislandnow.com/2018/10/13/legislature-to-consider-funding-requests-for-natural-disasters/
Whats your take?
We have 22 mil into the pohiki ramp to date. How about 100 punatics with shovels to make
A ditch,than let nature clear the rest. We used to clear the Kawaihae launch ramp every
Year . Put a big boat on the ramp,twin screws, 1/2 throttle. We even had the fire dept truck come down and let us use there fire hose to blast the sand under awter to clear the ramp. It can be done.
Aloha
HPP
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - Tink - 10-14-2018
Shouldn't be too hard except for the paperwork to take a barge over with a couple of excavators and a bulldozer to dig the sand out of the harbor side and swing it over to the beach, where the bulldozer pushes and smooths it out, grinding the sand a bit finer with trouser (track) movement.
Then take excavator and build a new septic system. Once that done, move towards the excavating crew on the other side creating the new roadway to the "new" park.
This may seem backwards to some, but the masses will be using the area long before they get the road completed.
Community begins with Aloha
RE: New, Improved Pohoiki? - MarkD - 10-14-2018
Building a new boat ramp to replace this one could take 4-6 years, or more. A great of deal of study and permitting is required.
And that does not account for environmentalists who might seek to block the project on grounds that it harms/desecrates the coastal environment.