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RE: East Island disappears after hurricane Walaka , - Durian Fiend - 10-24-2018
quote:I strongly suspect they will be fine, finding another place to use.[/quote]
Originally posted by Open-d
I strongly suspect that you don't know much about the trend with animal populations worldwide. Actually, they're not so adaptable to habitat loss.
RE: East Island disappears after hurricane Walaka , - Guest - 10-24-2018
Really?
According to who(m)?
My real-world experience sees foxes living and thriving INSIDE the fence at LAX, chasing, catching and consuming rabbits living inside the fence at LAX. I live in the SoCal metro area and chased a coyote out of my back yard. Seals sun themselves on buoys and sometimes even somebody's boat.
The ocean didn't dry up, and there are untold thousands of similar islands. They will adapt, trust me - I've issued a memorandum to that effect!!! They will disobey only at their own peril.
Nature's tough. Poop happens. Man isn't the only bogeyman to effect "stuff" (and always adversely, if you listen to some folks).[
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RE: East Island disappears after hurricane Walaka , - Guest - 10-24-2018
quote:Good 'ol planet earth. If you don't like the climate, just wait 5,000 years and it will be different. Like the fact that 20,000 years ago Woolly Mammoths strolled down Wilshire Blvd (wasn't yet paved).
Originally posted by MarkP
This is extremely concerning but would have been so even without climate change. A bad storm would always have put that island at risk. Where did sea turtles and monk seals breed historically?
Nature takes it all in stride, since it is all part and parcel OF nature.
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RE: East Island disappears after hurricane Walaka , - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-24-2018
Nature takes it all in stride, since it is all part and parcel OF nature
A valid point if it’s nature alone that’s changing, without any influence from humans.
Nature of course can change either with or without human interference, but there are ideas which exist when once stuck in a human mind, rightly or wrongly, will never change, like islands of ignorance in a vast sea of reality, completely unaffected by new findings, discoveries, or insights into how the world works.
"The great mystery is that such a state may be one of utter happiness, as it provides opinions concerning things, but no knowledge of the things themselves.” - Marguerite Young
RE: East Island disappears after hurricane Walaka , - Durian Fiend - 10-25-2018
quote:
Originally posted by Open-d
[quote]
Really?
According to who(m)?
My real-world experience sees foxes living and thriving INSIDE the fence at LAX, chasing, catching and consuming rabbits living inside the fence at LAX.
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Awesome dude. Reverse the antecedents and descendants in your signature and it's a winner.
Some critters, like raccoons and rats for instance, do well with habitat loss. Even some bird species can thrive in these circumstances. Most do not. When a mammal is endangered, chances are pretty good that it does not.
RE: East Island disappears after hurricane Walaka , - glassnumbers - 10-25-2018
The loss of species is a bummer, and humanity has certainly had a hand in it by increasing co2 levels. However, the earth has been wiped clean of all higher life about 4-5 times in the past without human interference. It's a natural cycle that humans are unnaturally accelerating.
Aloha
RE: East Island disappears after hurricane Walaka , - Guest - 10-25-2018
quote:You should have stopped at "...dude." You would have avoided embarrassing yourself.
Originally posted by Durian Fiend
quote:
Originally posted by Open-d
[quote]
Really?
According to who(m)?
My real-world experience sees foxes living and thriving INSIDE the fence at LAX, chasing, catching and consuming rabbits living inside the fence at LAX.
Speaking Truth to Lies / Facts to Ignorance
Awesome dude. Reverse the antecedents and descendants in your signature and it's a winner.
Some critters, like raccoons and rats for instance, do well with habitat loss. Even some bird species can thrive in these circumstances. Most do not. When a mammal is endangered, chances are pretty good that it does not.
So it is your opinion that the seals and turtles are just too stupid to find another place with all those other places to be found? How did they every make it this far? Divine providence.[
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RE: East Island disappears after hurricane Walaka , - Guest - 10-25-2018
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
Nature takes it all in stride, since it is all part and parcel OF nature
A valid point if it’s nature alone that’s changing, without any influence from humans.
Nature of course can change either with or without human interference, but there are ideas which exist when once stuck in a human mind, rightly or wrongly, will never change, like islands of ignorance in a vast sea of reality, completely unaffected by new findings, discoveries, or insights into how the world works.
"The great mystery is that such a state may be one of utter happiness, as it provides opinions concerning things, but no knowledge of the things themselves.” - Marguerite Young
What difference what the cause of the change is, natural, man made, or, more-realistically some of each, the change amounts to the same. Like a ship's wake in a sea full of waves, and in similar proportions.
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RE: East Island disappears after hurricane Walaka , - TomK - 10-25-2018
"What difference what the cause of the change is, natural, man made, or, more-realistically some of each, the change amounts to the same. Like a ship's wake in a sea full of waves, and in similar proportions.
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I don't think I have ever read such nonsense before. A ship's wake can't compare with the weather that produces large waves.
RE: East Island disappears after hurricane Walaka , - Durian Fiend - 10-26-2018
quote:
Originally posted by Open-d
[quote]
So it is your opinion that the seals and turtles are just too stupid to find another place with all those other places to be found? How did they every make it this far?
It is my opinion that you're missing a basic understanding of ecology needed to contribute anything of value to this discussion, and lack the open mind necessary for receiving the same.