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RE: New Water Bottling Plant in Hilo Proposed - terracore - 01-06-2019
"Hilo can find all sorts of other industries if we want"
Like what, building telescopes? We have two industries: tourism and taxation. And the second industry is dependent on the first.
If tourists had never been to Hawaii before and it was suddenly a new industry, people would now attend a public meeting to decry on how the fuel spent flying people here is destroying the environment. Regardless if those same people were otherwise going to fly to France to drink their bottled water.
RE: New Water Bottling Plant in Hilo Proposed - snorkle - 01-06-2019
A business like this could do much to mitigate our extreme shortage of plastic on this island. Maybe it would be better received with a bubble-wrap manufacturing plant included in the proposal.
RE: New Water Bottling Plant in Hilo Proposed - Guest - 01-06-2019
Hmm... Cannot use Monks .. Mongoose dromedarys?
RE: New Water Bottling Plant in Hilo Proposed - kalakoa - 01-06-2019
Residents continue push back against progress, self sufficiency, smaller taxes
Expenses will continue to rise. Where do people think the money will come from?
I've been wondering this for a long time. If all growth is bad (pick a reason), then all we have left is higher taxes on residents; when the cost of living gets too high, pepole move away. Sustainable?
RE: New Water Bottling Plant in Hilo Proposed - Jeremy Lutes - 01-06-2019
"...plastic bottles are a problem. Blocking a relative small plant in East Hawaii won't solve it though."
And allowing the plant certainly won't help.
RE: New Water Bottling Plant in Hilo Proposed - Obie - 01-06-2019
You really need to watch this video :
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2019/01/03/video-public-testifies-against-hilo-water-bottling-permit/
Everyone is protesting it because the water belongs to The Monarchy or it's sacred and it's pure and we shouldn't mess with it, and in the mean time it just flows into the ocean.
Fast forward to about 11:01 and listen to Hank testify that the water is polluted.
Better yet watch the whole video.
RE: New Water Bottling Plant in Hilo Proposed - glinda - 01-06-2019
Like what...
Well.. I think anything that involves a lot of transportation of materials, either the raw stuff coming here or the manufactured stuff going away is a no no. Hawaii is too far away from anywhere else to make sense as a manufacturing center. Even agriculture, because of its outdated methodology, is taboo because of the cost of bring in nitrogen.. outdated because we have so much of it around that is not being utilized.. and, again, shipping stuff to other markets.
But high tech, especially the software that runs it, is a major industry and the fact that our government has not done anything to attract someone like Apple or Google or some other major employer of programmers baffles me.
If we had a vision we could make UH Hilo a major computer science learning center, without taxing the environment one bit. With the right vision we could entice a big player to invest in, and build a campus here. We could be world class without a lot of silliness like a bottling plant that uses a material, plastic, that should be banned entirely.
And for those that say OMG it will be bottled somewhere else if not here. Gee.. that took a lot of thinking eh? Well do a little more and come up with something that doesn't create trash that is choking the planet. It really can't be that hard.
RE: New Water Bottling Plant in Hilo Proposed - knieft - 01-06-2019
Perhaps Hawaiian Springs should be closed down for offending the sensibilities of some?
https://www.hawaiianspringswater.com/
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Breaking news on the Pacific Plastic...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ocean-cleanup-device-breaks-down-well-ridding-pacific-plastics-n954446
I wonder if the screen was made of plastic? Can’t wait till it gets to Hawaii.
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The internet related industries are hard to see as especially environmentally friendly. But I guess saying high tech is the same as “all sorts of industries” in a way.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/11/tsunami-of-data-could-consume-fifth-global-electricity-by-2025
Cheers,
Kirt
Edit to add late breaking news...
RE: New Water Bottling Plant in Hilo Proposed - knieft - 01-06-2019
quote:
Originally posted by Obie
You really need to watch this video :
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2019/01/03/video-public-testifies-against-hilo-water-bottling-permit/
Wowser. Thanks for the link, Obie.
My fave was Mr. “nobody knows how much water there is in the solar system” (second last speaker).
In the end it is just sad. This is what public discourse has become in Puna. The same nut jobs come out of the woodwork and oppose anything with no debt to any sort of logic. “Leave the water in the ground, like the dirty oil, where it belongs”, and the demand for “Hawaiians” to get a cut of the proceeds, and “they are spraying RoundUp near a school”...an hour of this stuff. One lady in tears! Every one of them as righteous as can be.
At least no one brought up Microplastics (or did I fast forward through it...)
You know, bottled water is less silly than bottled soda, but way more silly than non-bottled water. If you don’t support bottled water, then don’t buy any. But please stop trying to generalize your hatred and fear to everyone else.
Who died and left these folks as taxi drivers anyway? Not only telling everyone how to get to the destination, but that their destination is the only option?
The logical end of these folks might be reducing their carbon footprint via methods as simple as found at vhemt.org
No need to tell everyone else what they can and can not do.
Cheers,
Kirt
RE: New Water Bottling Plant in Hilo Proposed - Guest - 01-06-2019
Dang it !!
https://www.manta.com/c/mmqmfb5/coca-cola