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RE: Mazie Called a Bigot - glinda - 01-19-2019
quote:I see, you really do mean she is less because she was born outside the USA. The thing is the worlds you use to speak disparagingly of Mazie, kind of, sort of, paint you as a bigot too.
Originally posted by Frank
Mazie is an f'in Bigot...
I think the context in which Mazie spoke, as shared by HOTPE, goes a long way towards showing just how skewed, how bias, and lacking in truth, with intent to inflame, is the original national review article posted by Frank. It is sad that so often those on the right feel a need to go out of their way to taint the truth so as to promote their ideology. Like their practice of gerrymandering, they are good at twisting reality to gain where just by the numbers, without all that slight of hand stuff, they are a minority.
RE: Mazie Called a Bigot - Frank - 01-19-2019
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
Mazie is an f'in Bigot hopte...
Frank,
Here are Mazie's exact comments:
“The Knights of Columbus has taken a number of extreme positions,” Hirono stated in written questions, citing the group’s contributions to California’s Proposition 8 campaign to legally define marriage as between one man and one woman.
“If confirmed, do you intend to end your membership with this group to avoid any appearance of bias?”
“Will you recuse yourself from all cases in which the Knights of Columbus has taken a position?”
The Knights of Columbus have taken positions which are opposed to federal law. Mazie did not denigrate Brian Buescher's religion or his beliefs, she simply asked him whether he would set those beliefs aside when they conflicted with federal law. That's not bigotry, it's properly vetting a candidate for a position on the bench.
What if a Muslim judge in America, a member of Knights of Islam* who had shown support for Sharia law was nominated for the federal bench, and Mazie asked them:
“Will you recuse yourself from all cases in which the Knights of Islam* have taken a position?”
Would Mazie be a bigot, or a senator asking a tough, challenging question which might affect decisions made by that person in the future?
* not as real organization
Here on the primal edge
Comparing Sharia law to the Catholic religion does not deserve an answer.
I ask if your post "Because her father Mike is a member of... the Knights of Columbus" was your opinion or did you get that from a media source. You couched that statement as if it came from Tulsi or was in fact her motivation for calling a bigot a bigot.
Which is it?
A source for your direct quote of hirono's would be appreciated.
quote from the National Review...
Hirono and Harris directly asked Buescher whether his Catholic beliefs would prevent him from faithfully executing his duties as a judge, and Hirono went so far as to demand that he drop his membership in the Knights and recuse himself from any case on which the group has taken a position.
A little different than what you posted
bold by me
RE: Mazie Called a Bigot - Frank - 01-19-2019
quote:
Originally posted by glinda
quote:I see, you really do mean she is less because she was born outside the USA. The thing is the worlds you use to speak disparagingly of Mazie, kind of, sort of, paint you as a bigot too.
Originally posted by Frank
Mazie is an f'in Bigot...
I think the context in which Mazie spoke, as shared by HOTPE, goes a long way towards showing just how skewed, how bias, and lacking in truth, with intent to inflame, is the original national review article posted by Frank. It is sad that so often those on the right feel a need to go out of their way to taint the truth so as to promote their ideology. Like their practice of gerrymandering, they are good at twisting reality to gain where just by the numbers, without all that slight of hand stuff, they are a minority.
Its a free country...you can post what ever you like...good luck
eta you
RE: Mazie Called a Bigot - glinda - 01-19-2019
Comparing Sharia law to the Catholic religion does not deserve an answer.
Your intolerance is glaring.
RE: Mazie Called a Bigot - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-19-2019
A source for your direct quote of hirono's would be appreciated.
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-catholic-bigotry-trump-knights-columbus-1270859
The National Review excerpt you posted is not a quote, they reworded the original quote so it would better fit the narrative they wished to convey. For instance, you can’t be bigoted toward the Knights of Columbus since it’s not a religion, but you can be bigoted toward Catholics. So they substituted one for the other.
Comparing Sharia law to the Catholic religion does not deserve an answer.
If you read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, the founding fathers specifically made a point that every religion had freedom to practice and worship in America. There are no exceptions listed. Muslims have the same rights as Catholics.
Mike is a member of... the Knights of Columbus" was your opinion
Yes, my opinion. Based on Tulsi’s early compliance with her father’s beliefs, and her later support for his political agenda. Her comments about Mazie struck me more like someone who took a personal offense to Hirono’s mention of the Knights, which Tulsi then defended with more zeal than I’d expect if it were simply about a stranger, Brian Buescher, someone she has nothing to do with, since she’s not even voting on his appointment.
Pay attention.
Be astonished.
Tell about it.
—Mary Oliver R.I.P. 1/17/19
RE: Mazie Called a Bigot - riversnout - 01-19-2019
Mazie will do or say whatever is against what Trump or the Rs want. Nothing else matters to her. She has painted herself in the corner and intends to stay there. For example, Trump says we're pulling our troops out of Syria. About time! Pull them out today! Who could argue with that? Mazie of course:
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TAPPER: What do you think, should President Trump pull U.S. troops out of Syria?
HIRONO: This is yet another example of the president's incoherence and it's clear that he thrives in chaos. We haven't heard from General Dunford. We haven't heard from General Mattis yet. This is -- this is really on a par with the kind of incoherence that the president exemplifies on a daily basis, and I think in this instance, he's again reacting to what's happening with the Mueller investigation that threatens to close in on him and his associates every day.
TAPPER: Well, what do you think should be done? Should the U.S. pull out of Syria? Or do you think that the U.S. troops need to stay there at least until the Pentagon feels ISIS has been defeated?
HIRONO: I have a lot of questions about Syria in terms of, what does winning against ISIS mean? What are we going to leave Syria to if we exit?
RE: Mazie Called a Bigot - TomK - 01-19-2019
What a bizarre thread.
https://youtu.be/B2Je1CEPkUM
RE: Mazie Called a Bigot - Frank - 01-20-2019
The National Review excerpt you posted is not a quote
Your right...I should have posted - copied directly from. We all have a narrative.
So they substituted one for the other.
Its my understanding that no one can become a member of the Knights of Columbus unless your Catholic. Substitution is out of play.
If you read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, the founding fathers specifically made a point that every religion had freedom to practice and worship in America.
Agreed...I googled Sharia law in America, this is the first note - In the United States, various states have "banned Sharia law", or passed some kind of ballot measure that "prohibits the states courts from considering foreign, international or religious law." As of 2014 these include Alabama, Arizona, Kansas, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Dakota and Tennessee. Not so for the Knights of Columbus.
I'll stick with my original post - Comparing Sharia law to the Catholic religion does not deserve an answer. and YES, Muslims have the same rights as Catholics.
Yes, my opinion. Thank you
Now for the source of hirono's direct quotes...
RE: Mazie Called a Bigot - Frank - 01-20-2019
quote:
Originally posted by glinda
Comparing Sharia law to the Catholic religion does not deserve an answer.
Your intolerance is glaring.
put some shades on...I humbly request you google Knights of Columbus and Sharia law...report back k
RE: Mazie Called a Bigot - Rob Tucker - 01-20-2019
Frank, You are kinda wandering off the farm. bring it back to Hawaii or lose it.
Assume the best and ask questions.
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