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RE: The Protectors Of Fissure 8 - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-25-2020
A news story on the road in Leilani Estates:
“Some of them wanted fissure 8 to be a park, or just a geological feature, without any human development,” Golden said, adding that others have argued that Estes has a right to do what he wants on his own property. “I can see both sides...
... the association is still awaiting a ruling about the road from the county. Furthermore, Golden worries that Estes’ actions set a precedent for other residents to cut their own potentially dangerous roads across lava on their own properties.
https://www.westhawaiitoday.com/2020/12/25/hawaii-news/leilani-estates-residents-divided-about-road-up-fissure-8/
Or potentially not dangerous? It's probably difficult to convince all of the property owners in Leilani that clearing a road is more dangerous than the County approving a subdivision in Lava Zone 1, land on which they gladly collected taxes for decades that recently spouted dozens of active fissures. If I owned property there, a road which provided access might be a ways down my top ten list of past and potential dangers.
RE: The Protectors Of Fissure 8 - leilanidude - 12-25-2020
The County assessed all of the lava buried properties at $0 value and there have been no taxes paid on these properties, since. By making this move to re-occupy, he is opening up his 4 lots to be taxed again. Also, the Leilani association made a declaration back in 2018 that any covered lot does not have to pay HOA dues. The dues on those lots are now "voluntary".
RE: The Protectors Of Fissure 8 - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-25-2020
lava buried properties at $0 value... covered lot does not have to pay HOA dues.
That’s a good arrangement for those who don’t want to use their lots. For anyone who can access their land one way or the other, perhaps the taxes and dues are a small price to pay?
RE: The Protectors Of Fissure 8 - leilanidude - 12-28-2020
Sam's "road to Fissure 8" is complete and the remaining residents along the short stretch of Luana that leads to it, have noticed a large uptick in both vehicular and foot traffic, up to Fissure 8. While Sam may have had the right to do what he did, he maybe should have thought more about if he should do it. It is making those people's lives, miserable with people wandering all around their homes.
RE: The Protectors Of Fissure 8 - kalakoa - 12-28-2020
There's a road by my house which gets more traffic ever since County suggested people use it as a highway 130 bypass.
RE: The Protectors Of Fissure 8 - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-28-2020
There’s a road by my house that now gets 10 times more traffic since they paved it. Probably 4 times more than the already increased paved traffic over the last year or two because people like to walk here during the pandemic. They turn around in my driveway, park in my driveway, the dogs they walk crap in my yard.
I suppose it’s the price I pay for living in a place that’s been discovered by everyone else 10 or 15 years after I did.
RE: The Protectors Of Fissure 8 - randomq - 12-28-2020
1. Chose to live in the rift zone of an active volcano...
2. Expected tourists to not want to see active volcano...
3. Lived on a county maintained road but wanted to block it off...
I fully expect lava to wipe out my home in my lifetime. I won't moan about it when people come to witness the destruction.
RE: The Protectors Of Fissure 8 - Obie - 12-28-2020
"wandering all around their homes."
I drove down to the end of Luana yesterday and had the only vehicle there.
I didn't wander around any homes and didn't see anyone else wandering around homes.
I wanted to look at his road and didn't even get out of the car.
I fail to see how I made anybody's life miserable. If anything they already have a miserable life and blame everyone else for their problems.
RE: The Protectors Of Fissure 8 - AaronM - 12-29-2020
Until the County or State chooses to purchase his land for a park or monument, why would his private property rights be invalidated?
RE: The Protectors Of Fissure 8 - leilanidude - 12-29-2020
3. Lived on a county maintained road but wanted to block it off...
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It is not a County maintained road. With the exception of Leilani Street, all of the roads in Leilani Estates are owned and maintained by the HOA.