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RE: Covid count - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-22-2021
More about the COVID death count. If you really believe the numbers are manipulated, or tabulated inaccurately, or counted incorrectly, here are some numbers you might find eye opening. The average lifespan for Americans has decreased by 1.5 years. Only some kind of seismic shift would cause a change of that magnitude, and would be unaffected by how deaths are categorized, because a drop in life expectancy means people are dying sooner, in one way it another. I wonder how?
Life expectancy in the United States dropped by a year and a half in 2020 — a continuation of a worrisome decline that was observed in the first half of last year as the coronaviruspandemic ravaged the country, according to federal data released Wednesday.
The decline, which is the largest seen in a single year since World War II, reflects the pandemic’s sustained toll on Americans,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/21/life-expectancy-covid/
RE: Covid count - achutch3 - 07-22-2021
(07-22-2021, 03:26 AM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: More about the COVID death count. If you really believe the numbers are manipulated, or tabulated inaccurately, or counted incorrectly, here are some numbers you might find eye opening. The average lifespan for Americans has decreased by 1.5 years. Only some kind of seismic shift would cause a change of that magnitude, and would be unaffected by how deaths are categorized, because a drop in life expectancy means people are dying sooner, in one way it another. I wonder how?
Life expectancy in the United States dropped by a year and a half in 2020 — a continuation of a worrisome decline that was observed in the first half of last year as the coronaviruspandemic ravaged the country, according to federal data released Wednesday.
The decline, which is the largest seen in a single year since World War II, reflects the pandemic’s sustained toll on Americans,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/21/life-expectancy-covid/
Diabetes, cholesterol, heart disease, sedentary lifestyle (too much screen time), poor diet (fast food/junk), suicide, depression, opioids, etc???
I "think" most of those things are higher and were growing more than just after WWII and COVID the virus itself along with the "lockdown" has compounded those things? Amplified the problems that already existed and was growing.
I read an article some time before the pandemic that already said this newest generation was going to be the first to have a life expectancy lower than their parents. Based on some of the problems listed above.
RE: Covid count - TomK - 07-22-2021
There may well be specific medical problems that would have reduced average life expectancy in the next few years, but suspect few if any could have been fixed so quickly by just getting vaccinated.
RE: Covid count - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-22-2021
Diabetes, cholesterol, heart disease, sedentary lifestyle... poor diet... suicide, depression, opioids,
The drop in life expectancy is from 2019 to 2020, over a single year. All of the factors listed above have been around for decades so may affect year to year changes, but probably not as drastically as the 1.5 year reduction found in the study. COVID was the only major health change that I know of from 2019 to 2020.
But we’ll see this Saturday. Greasy cheeseburgers and other fast food menu items are known contributors to diabetes, cholesterol, & heart disease, so when McDonalds at Puna Kai Shopping Center has their $.50 cheeseburger special, limit 10 per car, on July 24, we’ll see how quickly ambulances are called out, the hospital fills up, and bodies line the road from Pahoa to Hilo. I expect it won’t be that immediate, and is more likely to affect life expectancy statistics over the long term. Unless you include 10 large fries with your order.
RE: Covid count - AaronM - 07-23-2021
(07-21-2021, 06:18 PM)randomq Wrote: I feel bad for young children who are being put at risk by the unvaccinated at this point. But as far as rising numbers among the willfully unvaccinated? You made your choice.
The Kids are Alright -
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260
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In Children, Risk of Covid-19 Death or Serious Illness Remains Extremely Low, New Studies Find
[color=var(--color-nickel)]The findings come from some of the most comprehensive research on the risks of the coronavirus for those 18 years and younger![[Image: im-365555?width=860&height=573]](https://images.wsj.net/im-365555?width=860&height=573)
Some vaccines are in late-stage testing in younger children, while in use in adolescents 12 years and older.
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Children are at extremely slim risk of dying from Covid-19, according to some of the most comprehensive studies to date, which indicate the threat might be even lower than previously thought.
Some 99.995% of the 469,982 children in England who were infected during the year examined by researchers survived, one study found.
In fact, there were fewer deaths among children due to the virus than initially suspected. Among the 61 child deaths linked to a positive Covid-19 test in England, 25 were actually caused by the illness, the study found.
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[*][*]The three studies, by researchers in the U.K. reviewing its national health system’s medical records or pulling together data from other countries, were published on preprint servers Thursday. The studies haven’t yet been reviewed by independent experts and are preliminary.
[*]The studies provide some of the most detailed analysis yet of severe illness and death from [color=var(--color-blue)]Covid-19 in children, a closely watched subject as schools prepare for a new academic year and parents weigh whether to have their children vaccinated if shots are cleared for younger ages. One of the studies focused only on deaths, while the other two examined the risks of severe illness and death.
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[*]Researchers previously had found the risk of severe illness and death from Covid-19 among children under 18 years was relatively low. The new studies confirm the findings, adding to the weight of evidence as policy makers and school officials make decisions about mask-wearing and physical distancing.
“Having a larger and larger database…adds a lot to our ability to make important decisions,” said Dr. Rick Malley, an infectious-diseases specialist at Boston Children’s Hospital and Harvard Medical School, who wasn’t involved in the studies. The study examining the risk of death is “certainly one of the largest studies I’ve seen,” he said.
Some vaccines are in late-stage [color=var(--color-blue)]testing in younger children, while in use in adolescents 12 years and older.
One thorny area for policy makers is whether to recommend the shots if health agencies authorize the vaccines for children of younger ages. The decision would involve balancing the risks and benefits of vaccination with the low risk of serious illness and death from Covid-19.
Some parents have been concerned about giving [color=var(--color-blue)]messenger RNA vaccines [/color]from [color=var(--color-blue)]Pfizer[/color] Inc. or Moderna Inc. to adolescents because of the risk of [color=var(--color-blue)]a rare inflammatory heart condition[/color]. Advisers to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have urged vaccination, saying the benefits outweigh the risks.
Several countries, including the U.S., are offering the Pfizer shot to [color=var(--color-blue)]children 12 years and older[/color]. The U.K. has held back from offering vaccines to older children under 18, unless they have certain serious illnesses.
For the three new studies, researchers looked at various medical and study data for children of different ages for periods since the [color=var(--color-blue)]coronavirus pandemic [/color]started.
Researchers conducting the death study analyzed several national databases to identify children under 18 across England who had died from Covid-19 in the first year of the pandemic, from March 1, 2020, to Feb. 28, 2021.
“England is a large enough country and it’s had enough Covid, sadly, that we have better data than almost anywhere else in the world on the risks,” said Russell Viner, a professor of adolescent health at the University College London Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health and senior author on the death study as well as another looking at English hospital and intensive-care admissions.
Researchers from the University of Bristol, University of York and University of Liverpool were also key contributors to the three papers. Two of the studies were published on the medRxiv preprint server and one on the Research Square preprint server.
Underlying health conditions, especially serious brain or nerve-related disabilities, increased the risk of dying of Covid-19, according to the study looking at child deaths.
Fifteen of the 25 children in England who died because of Covid-19 during the period examined had underlying serious illnesses, the researchers said, while four had chronic underlying conditions. The researchers didn’t specify the serious illnesses or chronic conditions, but said that children with a combination of neurological and respiratory-linked conditions were at the greatest risk of death.
Three of the deaths were due to multisystem inflammatory syndrome, a serious complication of infection where different body parts can become inflamed. Six of the children who died due to Covid-19 didn’t appear to have an underlying health condition, researchers said.
No child with a stand-alone diagnosis of asthma, diabetes, epilepsy or Down syndrome died from Covid-19, the researchers said.
The risk of death was higher among children from Black and Asian backgrounds and in children above 10 years, the researchers said. Even among these higher-risk groups, however, children’s absolute risk of dying from Covid-19 is very small.
“Twice a tiny risk is still a very, very tiny risk,” said Professor Viner. “Even 10 times a very, very tiny risk is still a very, very tiny risk.”
Underlying health conditions also raised the risk of severe illness, the two other papers said.
“Factors linked to a higher risk of severe Covid-19 appear to be broadly consistent for both children and adults,” said Joseph Ward, of UCL Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health, who led one of the studies.
That study found a higher risk of admission to intensive care among children with health conditions such as diabetes, asthma and cardiovascular disease. Those with multiple conditions had the highest risk. Even so, the absolute risk was very small, the researchers said.
The studies all related to time periods that predated the emergence of the Delta variant [color=var(--color-blue)]that is now dominant[/color] in both the U.K. and the U.S., but the authors said there was as yet no evidence that the variant causes more severe illness or death among children.
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RE: Covid count - ChunksterK - 07-23-2021
Worst Hawaii Covid numbers since January announced today. 243 statewide, with 50 on the Big Island. Three new fatalities. Get your damn shots, people!
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/07/22/hawaii-reports-243-new-covid-infections-highest-daily-case-count-since-january/
RE: Covid count - randomq - 07-23-2021
Afraid of a vaccine but not a pandemic.
RE: Covid count - kalakoa - 07-23-2021
I say drop all restrictions. People who refuse to get vaccinated have made their choice; holding the rest of us hostage to the choices of a few is causing more damage than COVID. I realize the permanent state of emergency is very lucrative for the State, but this does not an economy make, especially when they keep all the bailout money for themselves.
RE: Covid count - Durian Fiend - 07-23-2021
(07-23-2021, 12:54 AM)AaronM Wrote:This may be the same story that originally appeared in a publication called New York magazine. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/the-kids-were-safe-from-covid-the-whole-time.html(07-21-2021, 06:18 PM)randomq Wrote: I feel bad for young children who are being put at risk by the unvaccinated at this point. But as far as rising numbers among the willfully unvaccinated? You made your choice.
The Kids are Alright -
It's sad and a bit annoying for me to contemplate another school year with so many parents worried about sending their kids off to school, or so pissed off about Covid restrictions that they pull their children out in favor of home schooling or private (religious) schools. In both cases, public school as an institution suffers, along with the disservice to our kids.
IMO, we should err on the side of boldness, with 5 days of in person schooling and no mask requirement. And yes, I'm willing to be a teacher in such an environment. Vaccinated and ready to go!
RE: Covid count - AaronM - 07-23-2021
Of course the following numbers mean nothing if you have lost a loved one to Covid. However for the sake of perspective, the American infection rate is 9%. Of those infected the fatality rate is only 1.7%. Fatality rate of the entire US population? O.18% Worldwide fatality rate? 0.05%