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RE: Hawaii Clothsline Bill fails house veto - StillHope - 07-11-2008
quote:This is THE BEST joke ever!!!
Originally posted by oink
Are there any left Bushes?
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
(Of course,if you are not talking about the direction...- forgot the disclaimer!)
RE: Hawaii Clothsline Bill fails house veto - Bob Orts - 07-11-2008
quote:
Originally posted by Shekelpal
The point is, that in a time when Island energy is so costly, CCR#699;s like this only boost demand and make energy more costly for everyone else. So the ban on hanging clothes out really does effect people outside of those communities. To mandate use of electricity to dry clothes from a central grid, when there is ample sun power to do so, is just way beyond stupid.
Using your analogy, shouldn't government step in and ban the use of cloth dryers? Wouldn't that address the issue completely? I understand the logic of clotheslines, but I disagree that government should be asked to void a person’s contractual agreement. CC&Rs is a legal contract between an individual property owner and the collective property owners to abide by a set of rules and regulations for the mutual benefit of all. If the people in an HOA want clotheslines, why not just amend the CC&Rs to allow them? I bet its because the majority of the property owners don't want them. So when democracy fails, jump to a dictatorship!
RE: Hawaii Clothsline Bill fails house veto - Guest - 07-11-2008
If you look at this graph on the bottom of this page... you can see that using a dryer amounts to almost $.71 - $.$.85 cents per dryer load here in Hawaii.
Some other good stuff in that article too.
I feel sorry for many Oahu Residents, as there are very few public laundromats available for use considering the population.
Now that I think about it... Puna has the same problem.
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RE: Hawaii Clothsline Bill fails house veto - Bob Orts - 07-12-2008
quote:
Originally posted by Damon
I feel sorry for many Oahu Residents, as there are very few public laundromats available for use considering the population.
Now that I think about it... Puna has the same problem.
So maybe you can explain to me what the clothesline bill has to do with Puna. For that matter how may people on the Big Island are impacted?
This bill only covered those individuals who agreed to lived in a development community with CC&Rs that expressly prohibited clotheslines and with an active HOA the enforces that restriction. Please explain why this bill makes you feel sorry for the people of Oahu and through your comments, extended to Puna.
If I was a politician and I read all this concern hype over something that essentially was nothing to the average person, I would know how easy it will be to manipulate the people with a few well chosen words and slogans.
RE: Hawaii Clothsline Bill fails house veto - StillHope - 07-12-2008
Bob,I do agree with you that HOA changing their own regulation would be the logical way of solving the problem.
But I don't agree they are not doing it because most of the people in the association don't want the closelines.
I am NOT advocating to bring government to solve local private problems.God forbid!
But if you are talking about dictatorship- HOA should be put in Wikipedia for the "dictatorship".
I was renting a middle class condo in the nice area.I have friends in the downtown condo where some units run 2 millions(!)
Very often is just a group of people running the show.
They often have some influence in the necessary circles and care about other members up to a point.
Most of the rules are necessary and reasonable,but a lot of them-pure dictatorship!
Ticket for putting a garbage can 15(!) min. prior to established time? Remove the door which looks exactly like others,only made of wood instead of a yaky paint or a "wood color"?
My elderly friend in Florida has to marry her old time boyfriend because she couldn't take the harassment of condo security anymore,enforcing the rules established by HOA to sign in every time!
(Without a context this would seem like normal routine,but just take my word-my friend is a very polite person the way the HOA treated the permanent guests was far from being nice).
I would rather die renting then go live in some condo!
Disclaimer: I am the person who prefers to follow the rules for my own peace sake.
P.S. Was watching now "The Greatest American Dog,and Tillman reminded me of another English Bulldog from the downtown condo who had a serious beef with the red cones they put out after hours at certain parking area.Didn't matter where he saw them- outside or by the security desk - he wanted to shred them in pieces!
I think even a dog could have enough of red tape (or cone for that matter)!
RE: Hawaii Clothsline Bill fails house veto - Guest - 07-12-2008
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Originally posted by Bob Orts
... Please explain why this bill makes you feel sorry for the people of Oahu and through your comments, extended to Puna....
Because many people on Oahu are being mandated to use Public Laundromats to dry their clothes.
Many apartments and houses over there, do not have the voltage to run Dryers.... thus the only way they can dry clothes... is to hang them up.
Now the government is trying to tell people you can't even dry your clothes anymore.
There are very few laundromats that are available to dry your clothes at. Many times you have to wait a long time to access a dryer.
Where I was trying to parallel this with Puna... Is that Puna also has many people living without the voltage to run dryers & there are very few public laundry mats.
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RE: Hawaii Clothsline Bill fails house veto - Guest - 07-12-2008
quote:
Originally posted by StillHope
Bob,I do agree with you that HOA changing their own regulation would be the logical way of solving the problem.
But I don't agree they are not doing it because most of the people in the association don't want the closelines.
I am NOT advocating to bring government to solve local private problems.God forbid!
But if you are talking about dictatorship- HOA should be put in Wikipedia for the "dictatorship".
I was renting a middle class condo in the nice area.I have friends in the downtown condo where some units run 2 millions(!)
Very often is just a group of people running the show.
They often have some influence in the necessary circles and care about other members up to a point.
Most of the rules are necessary and reasonable,but a lot of them-pure dictatorship!
Ticket for putting a garbage can 15(!) min. prior to established time? Remove the door which looks exactly like others,only made of wood instead of a yaky paint or a "wood color"?
My elderly friend in Florida has to marry her old time boyfriend because she couldn't take the harassment of condo security anymore,enforcing the rules established by HOA to sign in every time!
(Without a context this would seem like normal routine,but just take my word-my friend is a very polite person the way the HOA treated the permanent guests was far from being nice).
I would rather die renting then go live in some condo!
Disclaimer: I am the person who prefers to follow the rules for my own peace sake.
Great Post Stillhope!!!
At the last apartment I lived in over on Oahu... it was mandated that the color of my blinds for my windows matched the color of the house.
Thus, when they painted the place... I HAD TO PAY FOR NEW BLINDS that matched the outside of the place.... was quite pissed about that.[
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RE: Hawaii Clothsline Bill fails house veto - Bob Orts - 07-12-2008
quote:
Originally posted by Damon
Now the government is trying to tell people you can't even dry your clothes anymore.
Say what? Do you actually know what the law was about [?] or are you only keying in on specific catchwords and ignoring everything else?
quote:
Originally posted by Damon
Where I was trying to parallel this with Puna... Is that Puna also has many people living without the voltage to run dryers & there are very few public laundry mats.
What does that have to do with the law?
How many people in Puna live in a development with active and enforced CC&R’s that expressly prohibit clotheslines?
RE: Hawaii Clothsline Bill fails house veto - Guest - 07-12-2008
Chalk up a loss for energy conservation........." House leaders were unwilling to stand up for the measure that would have disallowed community associations from banning clotheslines."
Why does the Government get to override what the majority of the people in C.A.'s wish for?
People choose to live in places for particular reasons. I think those people in those communities should have more say in their local laws then some person sitting down at the capitol.[
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RE: Hawaii Clothsline Bill fails house veto - tada - 07-12-2008
I voted for Lingle twice but they should be banning electric dryers not clotheslines after hearing investment banker Matt Simmons;
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2005/06/saudi_oil_bombshell.html
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