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RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - roseroo14 - 11-20-2008
Damon,
Man do I agree with you, last year I spent about three months on the west coast, Calif, Arizona, and Mexico. I haven’t been to southern Cal in over 25 years. I got lost every place that I went and when I would stop and ask directions nearly everyone made me uncomfortable. Gangbangers in old neighborhoods that I ounce felt safe in, what a zoo, I’m changing the mainland’s name to the madland. I have no intentions to go back to the madland unless it becomes a must.
Arizona was a little better but it was completely over run with illegal fence jumpers. I found more people that speak English in Mexico than I did in Tucson. Well, it wasn’t quite that bad but it was close.
Yea, we have crime here in the islands and we have our share of low life, but when after all is said and done Hawaii is still the best and I feel the safest place in the USA to live. Maybe it is because I have lived here for forty years come January and feel a strong bound with the people that live here.
James, you want to make a community safe? Round up all the bad guys and send them to the can for safe keeping. Now that would be real CHANGE and do some good, but how dare me for even thinking that way. That would be mistreating the little darlings and the do gooders would be fit it be tied. Hell, they would be bring them milk and cookies to their cells. If you want a safer neighborhood take off the kid gloves and fight back.
The Lack
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Guest - 11-20-2008
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Originally posted by james weatherford
...the State of Hawaii, USA, the World, wherever.
Can We?
Crime -- real crime -- violence, theft, endangerment, arson and other threats to life and property: not tolerated. (sell that!)
Currently Hawaii County has the most dangerous roads in the state.
Can our community be the safest community wherever?
I guess more clarification is needed.
What makes a Community?
Puna is larger then the entire island of Oahu.
Do we concentrate on Pockets within Puna?
How do we expect a minimal police force to cover the distances that they need to here in Puna?
Just look at this organizational chart of Honolulu's Police Department.
They have over 1923 officers serving 600 miles according to Wikipedia.
I'm not sure of how many officers Puna has to cover the same area... maybe 20?
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RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Bob Orts - 11-20-2008
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Originally posted by Damon
I'm not sure of how many officers Puna has to cover the same area... maybe 20?
This should get you started:
http://www.co.hawaii.hi.us/annual_reports/annual2008/ar0708.pdf
It's not Puna specific but you'll get the big picture for the whole island. Remember these are all sworn LEOs from officer to the chief, from directing traffic to handling corrections. Not to mention three shifts, every day of the week. But you'll be able to use common sense to get the gist [
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RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Kelena - 11-20-2008
Looks like we have about 35 to cover Puna -- which is bigger than Oahu. I think we need to talk to our representatives on the police commission to let them know what our priorities are. The above report is interesting. A little bit self-serving, but I note that they have disrupted some meth operations and I am all for that.
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Jon - 11-20-2008
LOL... more officers more taxes....
and I assume with property values dropping, taxes will be going up anyway...
Transplanted Texan
"I am here to chew bubble gum and kick some *** ... and I'm all out of bubble gum"
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Guest - 11-20-2008
At the going rate of $28,000 for a starting officer on this island...
You could hire plenty.... and they are trying.
But for $28,000, it's not much of an attractive offer.
I was doing the math in my head.
$28,000 divided by 12 months = $2333.33 per month.
I figured 40 hours per week times 4 weeks per month = 160 hours per month.
$2333.33 divided by 160 = $14.58
So our cops here on this island only make around $14.58 per hour.
Still want to become a cop?[B)]
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RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Jon - 11-20-2008
compared to the incomes on the island.. that is not bad money.
compared to the mainland, that is poverty level.
Transplanted Texan
"I am here to chew bubble gum and kick some *** ... and I'm all out of bubble gum"
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Sean - 11-20-2008
Hey Damon, it's not even that good, try $28,000/2080 hrs = $13.46. NOT a decent wage for someone who is asked to risk their life for the community. Well, there's always OT. When I read that the chief of police position for Hawaii paid a $100k I was surprised. It's a lot of money, but it's low for that level of responsibility.
I felt safer in Oceanside, CA because I was friends with many of my immediate neighbors and a few others within a block. Also, when I did call the cops (once in 5 years) at 1:00am it took 5 minutes for them to show up with two cars to nab the bad guys. I lived in an average neighborhood, my house cost less than the average for O'side and way less than the rest of San Diego County. Once O'side was not like that, but the police have responded to the needs of the community and they are paid well to do so.
My wife and I did walk around and meet 4 of our new neighbors on 27th St. 3 of the 5 of us are newly in our homes and hopefully that will help all of us to look out for each other.
Cheers,
Sean
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - amf217 - 11-20-2008
quote:
Originally posted by Damon
At the going rate of $28,000 for a starting officer on this island...
You could hire plenty.... and they are trying.
But for $28,000, it's not much of an attractive offer.
I was doing the math in my head.
$28,000 divided by 12 months = $2333.33 per month.
I figured 40 hours per week times 4 weeks per month = 160 hours per month.
$2333.33 divided by 160 = $14.58
So our cops here on this island only make around $14.58 per hour.
Still want to become a cop?[B)]
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28 thou. you got to be kidding[?] Better find some money for about 10-12 thou. more No wonder you got problems with HPD! That is an embarrasement.
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - oink - 11-20-2008
amf217, where are you in N. Florida? That's actually good money for many rural Florida county departments. Where did you retire from? Don't get me wrong. It's not nearly enough but some of your rural Florida agencies are very poorly paid.
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.