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RE: The Bull in my yard - missydog1 - 11-10-2011
He was a considerate guest, must have used the bushes! [
]I felt bad for the Humane Society, but I had to call someone so that Mr. Bull could be on his way towards getting back to his compadres in the pasture.
Me (on phone): who should I call about a bull wandering loose in my yard?
HS (sigh): Us. (sigh) but we don't have our trailer right now. [
]PS. Even though I joked about BBQ, quite honestly I have spent way too many years as a vegetarian to see "dinner" when I see an animal. I see a living thing that needs to be back where it belongs so that it doesn't cause a car crash ... but not a food source.
I really do not like centipedes and will whack them, but that is because ... well, no need explain ... if you've been bitten, you know why.
"And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody, outside of a small circle of friends ~ Phil Ochs
RE: The Bull in my yard - timmelon - 11-10-2011
Just a joke. Look at those eyes. I couldn't pull the trigger.
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RE: The Bull in my yard - JerryCarr - 11-10-2011
Love the pictures! He's really quite charming, and that blue collar suits him.
RE: The Bull in my yard - TomK - 11-10-2011
Thanks for that amazing picture, Kathy. I moved to this island 15 years ago and it took me ages to accept the culture shock, but I still see things like this so many years later. I thought being woken up by goats was strange but now I see this!
Tom
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RE: The Bull in my yard - terracore - 11-11-2011
I used to work as an animal cruelty/neglect investigator and was trained at the university of missouri columbia law enforcement training institute. We had hands-on training on dealing with large animals. There was a separate chapter dealing with bulls, complete with some gory stories of people who wandered into bull territory and were killed or maimed before they could hop the fence to safety. Granted, these were bulls we're talking about and not a steer (castrated). More than likely you're dealing with a steer? Either way, if the humane society hasn't made a determination if the animal is dangerous, they are being negligent in their duties... or maybe not. Every community is different how they deal with domesticated animals. In many places the humane society and animal control are distinctly separate entities. If the humane society won't respond, did you try animal control? It could be that animal control is responsible for safety issues. Either way, be safe.
RE: The Bull in my yard - EightFingers - 11-11-2011
Sorry, I think prime rib when I see that!!
Rreminds me of a saying:
If God didn't want man to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.
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RE: The Bull in my yard - missydog1 - 11-11-2011
Glad you liked the photos, Jerry and TomK. [
]My son was here and said it was a young bull, not a steer. Mr. Bull had his original packaging. Could see it swinging when he walked. (see photo #4).
The bull was not aggressive, but then no one approached him.
terracore, AFAIK Animal Control is a subset of the Humane Society here. Under the Hawaii Revised Statutes, they are the organization authorized to deal with animals, dead, stray, abandoned, turned in, all of it.
May I say what an interesting job you had. Not something you do any more?
The deal with the bull is that he left amicably and I haven't seen him again. I don't know whether Animal Control/HS was able to find him. There is a lot of open territory out here for him to seek out. This being Hawai'i, and as I didn't report any kind of attack, they would probably come out, look around, and if they didn't see him, they would leave.
That is my guess.
I gave them some info on the probable owner, and they were going to try to notify her. She owns a ton of land on Hamakua, so someone must know how to reach her.
I too thought the blue collar was a nice touch. [
]ETA, no sooner posted than it was back -- walking down the driveway. Now gone again.
HS is closed. Must be for Veteran's Day. Truant animals have a reprieve today.
RE: The Bull in my yard - terracore - 11-14-2011
Kathy, you are right that I don't do that job anymore. It was the best job I ever had, and it was also the worst. Going to work every day was a blessing, and a curse. Over time I've forgotten the faces of some of the animals I've saved, but I haven't forgotten the faces of the animals I couldn't save. Reading your post reminded me of the large animal classes I took, and how I had to use them almost immediately after taking them. I took an old one-eyed horse named Cinnamon from a lady who was too lazy to feed her. She had the money. She was just too f&cking LAZY to feed the animal. The director of the local humane society didn't want me to take the horse, because it would be too expensive to feed her. I had to remind her why they employed me, and that first and foremost my job was law enforcement, and that the horse, and society, was a victim of a crime. After I took Cinnamon and charged the owner with a misdemeanor the local paper ran a story on it which was picked up by the AP. Suddenly the local humane society was inundated with donations from around the world. My next obstacle was the city attorney, who was reluctant to prosecute the case because "a horse can't testify". It wasn't easy but I changed her mind too. I had to quit that job- working with the animals was the easy part. Working with their humans was tough. More than one person threatened to kill me- I'm okay with that. What I wasn't okay with were my feelings of reciprocation. You can only stare at the dark side of humanity for a set period of time before it starts staring back. That period of time is different for everybody, but when you've reached it, you're done. Getting up early every morning, driving to Cinnamon's stall, shoveling it out in below-zero temperatures (the shovel had a metal handle- when I forgot my gloves I never shoveled so fast in my life) with a back injury was incredibly painful. But seeing Cinnamon excited to see me every morning- one of the best memories of my life.
RE: The Bull in my yard - missydog1 - 11-14-2011
terracore,
I was much moved by your post. I can see that your work led you to the darkness of the human soul as well as the joy in making a difference to abandoned mistreated animals. Bless you for doing it as long as you could.
I hope that compassionate people keep up the work. Even if it burns them out, that is better than having people with dead emotional response take over the field.
"And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody, outside of a small circle of friends ~ Phil Ochs
RE: The Bull in my yard - missydog1 - 01-02-2012
Update ...
so the bull has been back and causing damage ...
It seems it really dislikes statuary and yard furniture, or at least has a compulsion about knocking such things over.
Came back on Friday and promptly went to the pond for a drink like it was at home, and then headed for my blue plastic Adirondack chairs and head-butted them until they were turned over.
Called the Humane Society, and they said they don't do large animals. It's up to the police. Found out the police had been out talking to other people on my road about it, and one resident had lost a valuable piece of sculpture that the bull busted up.
The next day, it came back and knocked over my super heavy Japanese lantern that is four foot tall, piece by piece. Woke up to find the blue chairs upside down again. It sure knows what it likes about how things are arranged.
Anyhow, HS had heard a rumor from one person that the owner was in jail. We followed up, and it turns out that yes, the owner has been in jail or prison this whole time, and it's the same thieving icehead that I mentioned in the "Hello" topic. Don't know why he's in jail nor for how long, but am not surprised.
No idea what to do now ... obviously the owner is not coming to deal with it. I was amused at first, but now it's a nuisance. It moves around a lot, so the problem is if I call the police, it most likely will have moved on before they arrive.
It's interesting though as an illustration of how you can't fix a problem any more without getting someone to agree it's his/her jurisdiction, and everyone wishes someone else would take care of it, including me.
And no, I am not going to turn it into steak! It's not mine ... [
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