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Originally posted by ElysianWort

@openD You feel it is moving backwards because what?

Mass quantity will be sacrificed if our system of shortcuts and chemicals used in our food industry is overhauled? Mass quantity for what? Quality. Well maybe quality is only my point of view because many people here seem to have no problem eating Roundup residue left behind on produce.

The enormous farms loading up the matson containers with produce wouldn't be the same without Roundup, true. The containers would be far fewer.

So go on ahead and keep pumping out that quantity of produce because that is what we are focused on. Quantity = success regardless of the chemicals embedded in the food. Nevermind the possibility we made a mistake in the overuse of this unproven untested chemical, Roundup. We are the guinea-pigs for the use of this chemical!

Onward human race march forward, don't look back and learn from mistakes?

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

With less food out there available more and more people would have to give up their cooperate jobs, hang up the suit and tie and take out the garden hoe. ( I think that's a good thing )

You may have overlooked a few steps in this transition:
Hunger
Starvation
Food theft
Learning curve between desk & garden hoe
More starvation, until the first crops come in

Before we had our current food system, there were regular cycles of famine, even here in the islands. It was part and parcel of the agrarian based society. It triggered wars and mass migrations such as the Irish Potato Famine. I don’t think getting nearly everyone back to the garden is as easy or simple as you believe.

Oh, and by the way, don’t forget the locusts.

“We have knowledge that beyond the border there is a wonderful beauty, a space for beauty, for greatness […] if perhaps you can believe in it, if you have such an experience, your life is a little bit changed.” - László Krasznahorkai

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Originally posted by ElysianWort

OMG there is so much I can say here. From open-d trying to school me about what a chemical is to Paul making his usual assumptions to Tom wondering if we are okay with pot legalization. But this rang the loudest to me:

Tom, you posted: "Wow. Logical fallacy alarms are sounding out loud around Puna." But you DIDN'T mention rainyjim crying foul that my postings of my beliefs that I feel would make the world a better place, are "infringing upon his rights"

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As I said earlier, THAT is the hugest load of organic fertilizer. Horse type or bull you chose.

As most the other arguments get more and more ridiculous I feel you might not deserve a response anymore. HOTPE you are an exception here. I respect your logic and argument style.

Done deal folks. Monsanto lost and will continue losing these cases. 280 million dollars to pay that man and his family for medical bills and pain from the cancer he got from using Roundup.

That means nothing to you? Okay, whatever, eat your damned Roundup soaked food. I care not anymore.

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