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RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - TomK - 07-23-2015
I suspect dakine's choice to start making this personal shows that he has no objective arguments. Making stuff up about observatory funding was only an initial symptom, but now it's something a little different and a tad disturbing.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - faroutsider - 07-23-2015
No, no, no! I'm the one that makes things up! But Tom is so smart across a broad range of subjects, what do I know (in real life) and am now worried and hope Dakine is ok! Very disturbing. BTW, I saw a green bolt of lightning top o' Pele and the bolt went UP!!!! I hope no one was hot air ballooning in Volcano tonight! I'm not going to be able to sleep, sigh. So much to worry about. That said, it was green, and went up, a 2-fer, so I'm grateful for being able to cross off two items tonight, things I'd like to see, no. 457 and no. 458.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - TomK - 07-23-2015
quote:Have to suspect a new batch of hallucinogens have made it to the island.
Originally posted by faroutsider
No, no, no! I'm the one that makes things up! But Tom is so smart across a broad range of subjects, what do I know (in real life) and am now worried and hope Dakine is ok! Very disturbing. BTW, I saw a green bolt of lightning top o' Pele and the bolt went UP!!!! I hope no one was hot air ballooning in Volcano tonight! I'm not going to be able to sleep, sigh. So much to worry about. That said, it was green, and went up, a 2-fer, so I'm grateful for being able to cross off two items tonight, things I'd like to see, no. 457 and no. 458.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - kalakoa - 07-24-2015
Oh, the irony.
Robotics competition venue change due to emergency restrictions:
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/mauna-kea-rules-force-robotics-venue-change
The Pacific International Space Center for Exploration Systems started the annual event last year at its "Planetary Analog" site in the Hai Wahine valley less than a mile from the Mauna Kea Visitor Information Station.
But due to new emergency rules put in place on the mountain in response to protests against the Thirty Meter Telescope, the Hilo-based aerospace agency wasn’t able to get a permit from the state Department of Land and Natural Resources for the site.
However, these same rules are also not being enforced:
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/signs-no-enforcement-rules-mauna-kea
More than a week after going into effect, the new emergency rules restricting access on Mauna Kea, which protesters of the Thirty Meter Telescope say unfairly target them, have yet to be enforced. ... "Enforcement may proceed at any time,"
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - leilanidude - 07-24-2015
Another display of complete incompetence. I am sure that the protestors already know all about the new rules since they have already filed a lawsuit about those new rules!
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/signs-no-enforcement-rules-mauna-kea
“(We) are working to make sure that people are aware of and understand the rules,” Joshua Wisch, a spokesman for state Attorney General Doug Chin, wrote in an email.
On Tuesday, the state Department of Land and Natural Resources distributed an “educational handout” to protesters explaining the rules, according to department spokeswoman Deborah Ward.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - kimo wires - 07-24-2015
Quote from article in the Trib today
"The state Land Board approved the rules — meant to deal with what state officials have described as an “imminent peril” to public safety and natural resources resulting from ongoing protests."
Guess they will wait till there's "Actual Peril" before doing anything. Typical...
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - beepbeep - 07-24-2015
I am not sure any rules will be enforced. I'm assuming many of the law enforcement personnel have trouble arresting family, friends, neighbors. The island may not have enough law enforcement resources to cope with the large number of protesters. There would be political costs as well in providing effective enforcement and maybe that inhibits those who should be ordering what needs to be done and monitoring what is done.
Pam in CA
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - beepbeep - 07-24-2015
far outsider: green?
I don't understand what you wrote, and since I am in the hospital today getting an infusion, I am too tired to try to understand it.
Pam in CA
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-24-2015
I am not sure any rules will be enforced.
Some protestors who have been arrested are using the "Kingdom Defense" to try and get their charges dropped on rules that were enforced:
It’s based on the proposition that the Hawaiian Kingdom government still exists and, as a result, the State of Hawaii has no jurisdiction over these protesters or, by extension, anyone else in the islands. It’s an argument that has been unsuccessfully raised in many court cases, including dozens that eventually reached Hawaii’s Intermediate Court of Appeals or Supreme Court.
http://www.ilind.net/2015/07/23/some-tmt-defendants-cite-sovereignty-to-defend-against-criminal-charges/
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - kalakoa - 07-24-2015
the State of Hawaii has no jurisdiction over these protesters
If these protestors are going to claim sovereignty, wouldn't they then not be US Citizens, and therefore require an entry visa, green card, or similar legitimate grant of entry to the US?
"But they were here already" would only seem to apply to bona fide "natives" with lineage proving they were here before the overthrow -- and would also seem to require that this status be legitimately recognized by the US as "separate" from birthright citizenship.
Assuming formal recognition, perhaps they're considered to have "dual citizenship" -- but isn't US citizenship void when you take up arms for a foreign nation?
"Lead, follow, get out of the way ... or this fourth option we have for the mountain."