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RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Patricia - 01-15-2025
(01-15-2025, 10:40 PM)Obie Wrote: Patricia, I have previously asked you to refer to me by my username which is Obie.
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I do not call you "Obie" as it strikes me as a name that those who know you well and are "close" to you might use. If you prefer, I will in future refer to you as Mr. Obermann. It is just more typing.
As for the adjective. You are correct. My error. It should have read, "superficially."
Your "description" is rude. You and I have never met. You and I have never had a face to face conversation.
And I do not claim to "know" you, your intentions, or what you "feel" about anyone or anything (except me- you seem to have some personal issue with me).
I do not "hate" anyone and I find your continued use of that "descriptive" offensive.
As for "every waking hour," I do not spend every waking hour spewing anything, or working on any one project. I have a multitude of tasks, people, and projects that require my attention daily. (Hence, multiple typos, and the incorrect usage of adjectives).
Have a nice day, Mr. Obermann. And when you are up to actually having an informed conversation, regarding substandard subdivisions in Puna, Hawaii, please feel free to share.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Rob Tucker - 01-15-2025
If Obie prefers to be referred to as Obie then that is what you should refer to him as. It is his registered username.
Don't give me an argument or rationalization either.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Patricia - 01-15-2025
(01-15-2025, 11:20 PM)Rob Tucker Wrote: If Obie prefers to be referred to as Obie then that is what you should refer to him as. It is his registered username.
Don't give me an argument or rationalization either.
Sure...
No argument. I was not trying to insult him.
But no mention of "Pee?"
This is what I was referring to when I brought up inconsistencies in moderation.
See bold immediately below. I believe it was in response to your use of nicknames, and assume it will stop if you stop. No inconsistency there.
(01-15-2025, 10:40 PM)Obie Wrote: Patricia, I have previously asked you to refer to me by my username which is Obie. Since you won't… I while now alternate between Ms Pee and Patty or
As I have asked, numerous times, if you ( and/or "most of us") know a lot more than I, about Puna's substandard subdivisions, and road maintenance, then I would be very interested to hear and discuss this info. In addition, I am sure there are interested and prospective buyers (considering property in Puna, Hawaii) that would be interested too.
Hawaii is a wonderful place. But not everything in Hawaii is perfect. Hawaii has its own political, social, economic problems just like everywhere else. What is wrong with discussing these issues, helping others to be aware of them and understand them?
You seem to feel PW is a private and exclusive "club." Your "go find another group," says a lot.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Obie - 01-15-2025
Thanks Rob
Patricia
"And when you are up to actually having an informed conversation, regarding substandard subdivisions in Puna"
I'm never going to have a conversation with you on substandard subdivisions because you lack information to have a conversation with me.
I was part of a group of like minded people who bought into a substandard subdivision that was overrun with ice heads, thieves, and run down housing.
We turned it into a wonderful place that the public streamed to visit the Waiopae tidepools.
We paved all of the roads, established a water system supplied by county water and built a parking lot for the public.
We had mailboxes for everyone in the neighborhood and our mail could be addressed to our house numbers.
You seem to be more interested in returning HPP to its beginnings.
Please take your ramblings elsewhere.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Patricia - 01-16-2025
(01-15-2025, 11:45 PM)Obie Wrote: Patricia
I was part of a group of like minded people who bought into a substandard subdivision that was overrun with ice heads, thieves, and run down housing.
You seem to be more interested in returning HPP to its beginnings.
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Your information would be confusing to those reading it, who do not know/understand that the substandard subdivision of which you speak was/is not HPP.
Hawaiian Paradise Park, as per the first residents who actually lived here was (as per the Hawsii Tribune 1980)
"about 100 homes in the big subdivision, most of them built by retired Mainlanders, when the association was being organized in the early 1970's, it was necessary to include in the membership the largest percentage of lot owners who still live on the Mainland. The response was good and now there are about 1,500 of them in the association who actively support the hui's various developments (the hui is the legal entity of the association; the country club and recreational park is another division, and the road maintenance another).
But there has been a change in the structure of residents in recent years, as indicated by Helen Gehm, 'When we first came over in 1971, almost everyone who lived here were Mainland retirees. Now there are quite a few island residents, working people and young families representing all the ethnic groups.'"
Hawaiian Paradise Park was pretty much Mainlanders with money who had been "large and in charge" for several years before a shift in demographics started to take place. As in, "young families representing all the ethnic groups."
Not everything is about "ice-heads, thieves, and run down properties," Obie. Those can and do happen everywhere. Even in Wyoming.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - MyManao - 01-16-2025
You seem to feel PW is a private..
All online forums are, in essence, private. They are owned and operated by individuals, groups, but have no requirements, as a government would, to do anymore, or less, than those who run them want. Sure, most are public facing, and invite anonymous participation, but the owners/operators are not bound by anything more than their whim.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Obie - 01-16-2025
"substandard subdivision of which you speak was/is not HPP. "
Did HPP have the Waiopae tidepools, mailboxes for all and a private water system ?
No one here gives a darn about Helen Gehm or any of the 1970's history of HPP.
Please go away !!
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - MyManao - 01-16-2025
(Yesterday, 12:07 AM)Patricia Wrote: Your information would be confusing to those reading it
Actually, we all know Obie.. and nothing he's written has been confusing at all.
I think your best move would be to do as Obie asks.. give it a break already..
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RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Paddleman - 01-16-2025
(01-14-2025, 07:58 PM)HiloJulie Wrote: I find that one who does indeed go through the 4 separate keystrokes it takes to set your profile to hiddenSo again because I'm fairly new, what are these 4 steps that you are referring to? I must have gotten lucky when I signed up since you are telling me my profile is not hidden, but should I decide that I want to "hide in the bushes" I'd really like to know how to do that and you seem to know these particular 4 steps so that is why I'm asking you. Also I noticed in a later post that the "hiding in the bushes" that you are referring to is that poster can't be seen when the person is online. I'm confused as to why that is such a cardinal sin or such a big deal. Can you expand on this?
But, when your profile is hidden, no one can see if you are online when you are online. So, it's the equivalent of hiding in the bushes.
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See comment #196 on page 20
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-16-2025
Parking lots, just like driveways, are not roads. The County does not use their road budget to pave Walmart, Safeway, or any Hilo business parking lot (unless it's a County business).
Isn’t the HPP Community Center parking lot paved? Presumably with road maintenance funds? Precedent?
Also, I don’t believe Patricia answered my question about whether she believed there was room for additional mailboxes on the existing roadside sites. If not where would additional mailboxes be placed? Or is the solution no additional mailboxes?