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RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - knieft - 07-25-2015
opihikao:
"There are things going on behind those perverbial "closed doors" (that's what y'all call it, right?) that you people better be ready for."
This has been said in so many words a few times now. I look forward to seeing what is meant by it.
Cheers,
Kirt
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - PaulW - 07-25-2015
How can I be ready for it if I don't know what "it" is? Can anyone give me a hint?
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - Guest - 07-25-2015
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/seeing-on-mount-graham/Content?oid=1071367.
Plenty of similarities to our own growing summit situation, good read.
Apology in advance if the link provided fails?
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - Guest - 07-25-2015
quote:
Originally posted by gypsy69
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/seeing-on-mount-graham/Content?oid=1071367
Plenty of similarities to our own growing summit situation, good read.
Apology in advance if the link provided fails?
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - punaticbychoice - 07-25-2015
imagtek@ 02:12:33
Yup.
That is a good appreciation of the current situation.
It is what the early Dark Age looks like.
I think of William Butler Yeats at this moment.
Perhaps some here understand the inference.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - knieft - 07-25-2015
PaulW:
"How can I be ready for it if I don't know what "it" is? Can anyone give me a hint?"
Maybe it has to do with something blowing up in our face...?
Cheers,
Kirt
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - HiloPuna - 07-25-2015
W. B. Yeats at his best..... the last sentence of the first stanza is particularly relevant to this thread.
The Second Coming
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-25-2015
"There are things going on behind those perverbial "closed doors"
Which is why a final resolution is often a surprise to everyone.
There are at least two sets of "closed doors," with "smoke-filled* back rooms" where wheeling and dealing takes place, one for each side of the issue. Then, depending on how many divisions there are between participants there may be splinter groups with their own back room meetings trying to push their agenda forward. At best, someone might be privy to one or two of these gatherings, and have no idea what is taking place elsewhere or even that other meetings exist.
We'll probably all be surprised to some extent when there is a final resolution.
* probably now smoke-free back rooms as required by state law
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - PaulW - 07-25-2015
I'll take a wild punt and guess that someone will receive money and then the protestors will back off.
Play it again Sam.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - kalakoa - 07-25-2015
kalakoa, the irony is indeed astounding. The laws are astounding. The manipulation of law is astounding. I'm beginning to see why your posts are of one vein, as it were. Kudos.
Thank you -- I've long since realized that the "rules and laws" are meaningless as written, always open to interpretation and selective enforcement.
This "fine local tradition" has been going on for decades ("private subdivision", anyone?) and so it's hardly surprising to see it applied to the "Circus Hawaii at Mauna Kea".