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RE: Discoveries by the telescopes on Mauna Kea - pahoated - 09-13-2016
"Explaining why the universe can be transparent"
Hawaii reality check. Here are the source publications -- NOT MADE IN HAWAII.
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/0004-637X/828/2/108/meta;jsessionid=3EE18F070DE77E219827408CE5905788.c1.iopscience.cld.iop.org
THE CONNECTION BETWEEN REDDENING, GAS COVERING FRACTION, AND THE ESCAPE OF IONIZING RADIATION AT HIGH REDSHIFT*
Naveen A. Reddy1,7, Charles C. Steidel2, Max Pettini3, Milan Bogosavljevi#263;4,5, and Alice E. Shapley6
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/0004-637X/828/2/107/meta
SPECTROSCOPIC MEASUREMENTS OF THE FAR-ULTRAVIOLET DUST ATTENUATION CURVE AT z ~ 3*
Naveen A. Reddy1,6, Charles C. Steidel2, Max Pettini3, and Milan Bogosavljevi#263;4,5
"The collaborators of this research are Charles Steidel (Caltech), Max Pettini (University of Cambridge), Milan Bogosavljevic (Astronomical Observatory, Belgrade) and Alice Shapley (UCLA)."
None of these people live or work in Hawaii. They are not bringing income or spending their income in Hawaii, except when they visit as astro tourists.
This is what Hawaii is getting, a footnote.
"Footnotes *
Based on data obtained at the W.M. Keck Observatory, which is operated as a scientific partnership among the California Institute of Technology, the University of California, and NASA, and was made possible by the generous financial support of the W.M. Keck Foundation."
How much money is Hawaii getting from that footnote? The institutions of the authors' will get prestige, glory, and most importantly, more grant money for research. Where do you think that additional money is going to go? The Pahoa High School astronomy club?
The observatories on Mauna Kea have become the New Plantations. The obscenely fat plantation owners lived on the mainland, spent their money from Hawaii plantations on lavish trips to Europe and more "civilized" places while indentured Chinese and Japanese workers did the back breaking work in the plantation fields to pay off their indentured servitude so they could start their own lives in Hawaii.
There, made the non-Hawaii off-topic post on-topic for Hawaii island.
*Japanese tourist on bus through Pahoa, "Is this still America?*
RE: Discoveries by the telescopes on Mauna Kea - kalakoa - 09-13-2016
This is what Hawaii is getting, a footnote.
Hawaii used to be the only gas station and fresh water for 2500 miles.
Today's planes fly right over.
Hawaii is basically a footnote, anymore.
RE: Discoveries by the telescopes on Mauna Kea - TomK - 09-13-2016
"Hawaii reality check. Here are the source publications -- NOT MADE IN HAWAII."
But wouldn't be possible without the telescopes in Hawaii that spend their operations money here, or all their staff living here, spending their wages in the local economy. You keep going on about the observatories allowing astronomers around the world to publish their discoveries, but that's exactly what observatories have always done, here and all over the world. It's what they are designed and built to do. They enable scientists to carry out their work and the money is spent in the local economies.
If all the astronomers around the world lived here, then who would teach physics, math, astronomy and other STEM subjects elsewhere?
RE: Discoveries by the telescopes on Mauna Kea - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-13-2016
Here are the source publications -- NOT MADE IN HAWAII.
So if it is of no importance what, when, or where a discovery is made, but only who, why bother claiming the superiority of small lensed space-based telescopes? By ted's own criteria, aren't Hubble & Kepler also mere footnotes, barely worth a mention, as there are no on-board based astrophysicists? Or perhaps in this case astronautphysicists?
“We’ve got to be as clear-headed about human beings as possible, because we are still each other’s only hope,” James Baldwin to Margaret Mead in the book A Rap On Race
RE: Discoveries by the telescopes on Mauna Kea - TomK - 09-14-2016
I heard there's a severe shortage of qualified astrophysicists willing to man the hundreds and thousands of telescopes that are to be launched in the next couple of years. Time to get your resumes updated and submitted.
RE: Discoveries by the telescopes on Mauna Kea - Guest - 09-14-2016
But not in Puna TomK
RE: Discoveries by the telescopes on Mauna Kea - TomK - 09-14-2016
Pahoated is promoting the "hundreds and thousands of space-based telescopes in the next couple of years", why not ask him about the link to Puna?
RE: Discoveries by the telescopes on Mauna Kea - Guest - 09-14-2016
I did not ask nor promote a question TomK.
RE: Discoveries by the telescopes on Mauna Kea - TomK - 09-14-2016
Then your comment makes even less sense than it did before. What exactly are you trying to say?
RE: Discoveries by the telescopes on Mauna Kea - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-14-2016
I did not ask nor promote a question TomK.
That,s quite true of all your comments to this thread. If you are only here, on this thread, to dissect the minutiae of what you personally consider "Puna" perhaps you should consider the question I would ask, why are you here?
Punaweb has many diverse topics on which you may contribute your opinion or expertise. There is nothing in the rules that says you need to fill in all of the blanks or correct others in red ink.
Some of us find the discoveries on Mauna Kea fascinating, ground breaking, and an integral part of the mix of people and events that make up Hawaii. We're a diverse group with different backgrounds and interests. Live and let live.
“We’ve got to be as clear-headed about human beings as possible, because we are still each other’s only hope,” James Baldwin to Margaret Mead in the book A Rap On Race