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RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Paddleman - 01-16-2025
(Yesterday, 02:53 AM)kalianna Wrote: Paddleman, to hide whether you are online, click on your user profile on the top left of the page. Click on edit options. Under privacy, check the "hide me from whoʻs online" box. This is for those who sensibly value their privacy. Another very useful feature to, for example, hide Karens who go on and on, is to click on their name in a post theyʻve made and then choose "Add to Ignore List". And bear in mind that the know it all Karen who so strongly objects to anyone who values their privacy has been booted off this site twice already.
Mahalo for your simple response and information about my questions. I hadn't realized that you had posted it. I see now that I need to read everything. But I'll definitely bear in mind that this individual has been booted off twice already. That says a lot.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - HiloJulie - 01-16-2025
@paddleman
"That says a lot."
Just wait until "kalianna" informs you that you have made her ignore list, (generally with great fanfare) only to be told how she "unignored" you just to tell you that she has once again "ignored" you!
That says a lot!
At any event, have fun here on PunaWeb, and remember, "run silent, run deep!"
ETA: I find it kind of amusing that the discussion of the "hidden" mode has gone from "oh gosh golly gee, I don't know what I did to cause my profile to do that" to now being that I am "obsessed stalker" and someone who "strongly objects to online privacy."
As TomK would so eloquently say "hello there Mr. Straw Man!"
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Paddleman - 01-16-2025
(Yesterday, 05:30 AM)HiloJulie Wrote: @paddlemanHiloJulie wow ok. Thank you for the snarky response. I only asked you specifically because you were the person that started the whole "hiding in the grass" statement and I got the impression that it was taboo or something. I just expected a simple response like I got from someone else but it's all cool. But you give yourself far to much credit to think that I'm fixated on you. Looking at this thread I'd say that you are the one that's fixated, JMO.
The whole point of PunaWeb is to read the threads not just one poster in a thread. The question you have now asked 3 or 4 times has been answered by another poster, so read the thread and not just fixate on me.
(Yesterday, 05:29 AM)Patricia Wrote: Again... You have so much time.
I do not wish to fight with you, Obie, or anyone else. I JUST want to discuss issues regarding Substandard Subdivisions in Puna, Hawaii (not just HPP). That's IT. If you, Obie, WHOEVER, have a problem with that? Then please feel free not to respond.
How about YOU find the time to READ the RESPONSES I made?
And yes, all you want to do is fight.
And I'd suggest you stop this ridiculous need of requoting the entire posts to reply with one or two sentences as the Moderators of PunaWeb have asked.
I'll look forward to more interesting topics and conversations from others.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Patricia - 01-16-2025
How about, Julie, if we just stick to the topic and stop baiting new forum members?
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - HiloJulie - 01-16-2025
(Yesterday, 07:53 AM)Patricia Wrote: How about, Julie, if we just stick to the topic and stop baiting new forum members?
I'm trying too Patricia.
So far, I got one poster who just simply does not have time to even read my responses to her answer to my question, another poster asking over and over and over how change settings on their profile and then another poster gloating about the time I was put on a PunaWeb vacation.
Hey, how about that Patricia, you and I have both been put on PunaWeb Vacations! We have something in common!
Yahoo!
So, then, as for sticking to the topic, how about you take some time out of your clearly way too busy schedule and go back and read the responses I made to your nonprofit fund-raising ideas and then, maybe then, we could have this so called "discussion?"
How about YOU do that?
Would saying "pretty please" help?
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Patricia - 01-16-2025
Julie... please, pretty please, stop.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - HiloJulie - 01-16-2025
(Yesterday, 08:07 AM)Patricia Wrote: Julie... please, pretty please, stop.
Yeah. I see you really "...JUST want to discuss issues regarding Substandard Subdivisions in Puna, Hawaii (not just HPP)."
Have you considered looking into a mirror? Thats really the only person you desire to discuss ANYTHING with.
And you're right. I'll stop. Watching Barney chase his tail - even when doped up on meds from having his teeth cleaned today - is far more fun, albeit virtually the same thing as this sure has been!
Go get 'em tiger!
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - leilanidude - 01-16-2025
Patricia -The question I have asked (and so have some others) has not been answered. All this screeching about deed restrictions from you and naming the Watamulls....
Has anyone ever formally asked the Watamulls if putting the mailbox clusters on those 20 acre parcels is OK with them?
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Paddleman - 01-16-2025
(Yesterday, 02:18 PM)leilanidude Wrote: Patricia -The question I have asked (and so have some others) has not been answered. All this screeching about deed restrictions from you and naming the Watamulls....leilanidude- A previous HPPOA Board year's and year's ago where told to have their attorney draft something and to submit it the Watumull's attorney regarding the Deed Restriction changes that they wanted on these specific Deed Restricted parcels.That Board decided not to pursue this because of several reasons (for ex. costs $$$$, attorney fees etc). So nothing was done.
Has anyone ever formally asked the Watamulls if putting the mailbox clusters on those 20 acre parcels is OK with them?
So that brings us to the current situation. According to the current HPPOA Board (President) they wrote one (1) letter to the Watumull's and received NO response. So based on this ONE NO RESPONSE this Board has plowed ahead with spending over 1 MILLION dollars (by the time this is all done, it could be closer to 2 MILLION) of Restricted Road money. Would you agree that writing ONE letter and getting absolutely NO RESPONSE from the other party on the Deed Restricted (parcels)(Watamull's are the original developer who gave HPP these four 20 acre parcels) is good business sense. I highly doubt that most companies or individuals (like you or me) would want to roll the dice and spend that kind of money, but hey that's JMO.
Some people think this isn't a big deal but for example:
Say you, your family or friends OWN a piece of property and I decide that I want to build MY house on this property. There are current Restrictions that say (and you originally agreed to when you purchased it) that a private home cannot be built on it. I choose to ignore the facts and build MY house on your property and say to you "Sue me I'll take my chances" in a lawsuit because I had an attorney say that it was ok. Do you think CASE LAW would agree with that or because I wanted to do that it's legal, probably NOT.
Recently in the news (some of you may have heard about this) there is a current lawsuit that a HPP homeowner and a builder who built a home on her property is now moving through the court process now. This homeowner didn't find out that any of this had taken place until a Realtor (that had actually sold the property/house) called her because something came up in the Title process. Just an example that things like this do occur.
HPPOA has filed a third-party lawsuit against the Watumull's and have dragged them into this current lawsuit. The Watumull's have responded to HPPOA disagreeing with all of their arguments. So at this point they are NOT in agreement with how HPPOA is using these Deed Restricted parcels.
Just a note the Scheduling Conference for this Lawsuit is scheduled for next month February 14 if anyone cares.
Apologies to everyone reading this for it being so long but I want to clarify what is/has actually taken place.
Appreciate all of the different opinions and conversations here and I look forward to more and others, Mahalo.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - leilanidude - 01-16-2025
Paddleman - I can understand your logic, but mailboxes are a community use, seemingly fitting under the deed restrictions, especially for a subdivision that needs them. As these are 20 acres parcels, obviously, roads would have to be used to get to the new mailboxes (hence spending road money on roads). Cost to have an attorney send the Watamull's a letter asking shouldn't cost but an hour or two of time for the attorney. For HPP, which has a several million $ budget, cost should never be an issue to spend $1000.
Personally, I think that getting permission and actually doing the mailbox setups will create additional opportunities for HPP to create further community minded developments on these parcels, for the good of all residents.