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RE: HPP under attack!!!! - punafish - 11-26-2008
Jon, I understand your point. I believe it was P.K Wrigley who said (I paraphrase) "I don't want an employee who thinks like me, because then one of us is not necessary."
But I also understand Daniel's point of view: to accomplish anything--even just to argue--you at least have to start from some common assumption(s) and/or common goals to anchor your logic to.
It shouldn't surprise anyone that our founding fathers fought over the constitution. But they obviously had a superordinate goal that trumped their differences. The diversity that I think you are talking about, is the idea of discussing (hopefully in a civil manner) all the different ways to get to that common goal. If that's an accurate assessment of what you mean, then we're on the same page.
Upon reflection, I think my earlier comments in this thread were misunderstood. Dialogue and disagreement in and of itself is not a bad thing. (The comment about Rob pulling some posts was in reference to a couple inflammatory posts that wandered into national politics. Personally, I enjoy the discussions on national politics, but it's not my forum.) But what is truly silly, is the name-calling and biting comments. Why? Because when you push people into a box, it only makes them less inclined to further discuss issues and cooperate. It's human nature.
Let's debate, but do it like adults, without losing sight of a common goal. Perhaps a new thread might provide a fresh start. Then we can test whether you are right about it dying a quick death.
Now you've got me wondering...do you think during those 100 days of fighting over our Constitution, there was any baiting and petty name-calling going on? In a moment of frustration did someone yell across the table at Thomas Jefferson, " How dare you disagree with me you pot-growing progressive!" (If so, it wouldn't have been too far off the mark :-)
Tim
RE: HPP under attack!!!! - Jon - 11-26-2008
Yes I believe there was every type of dialog during the constitutional convention. I am sure there were fist fights and worse.
Just so you know, I have been running Bulletin Boards for over 20 years. You can have a discussion forum that stays on subject only if you have 2 things. 1) a moderator that is willing to be hated and has the time to deleted posts hourly. 2) Users that must participate not just want to, but are forced to.
If you don't have #1, you can't stay on topic. If you have #1 but not #2 people will just stop posting, then stop reading.. then just stop.
as for the name calling and such, its what happens, you get used to it or you stop participating.
Transplanted Texan
"I am here to chew bubble gum and kick some *** ... and I'm all out of bubble gum"
RE: HPP under attack!!!! - oink - 11-26-2008
pot-growing, slave owning progressive!
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: HPP under attack!!!! - punafish - 11-26-2008
Oink, forgot about the slave-owning part. TJ was definitely a mixed bag.
Jon, you know a lot more about forums than I do. I think we'd both agree that Rob is a tolerant moderator, some might say "light-handed". But I personally believe that he's struck a great balance. And yet, punaweb is, overall, a very friendly, civil forum. Just once in a while certain threads seem to get out of control and people start throwing rocks at each other. It amazes me how differently humans behave on a forum than in real life, we seem to revert back to middle-school behavior. But yes...my expectations of civility are probably too high in a format where people don't actually have to deal with each other face to face.
Just out of curiosity, how could anyone "force" anyone else (#2) to participate in a forum?
Tim
RE: HPP under attack!!!! - Kelena - 11-26-2008
Hey -- did you guys know that a toolbag is hurtling your way at five miles a second?
RE: HPP under attack!!!! - punafish - 11-26-2008
Happy Thanksgiving :-)
RE: HPP under attack!!!! - Jon - 11-26-2008
quote:
Originally posted by punafish
Just out of curiosity, how could anyone "force" anyone else (#2) to participate in a forum?
Research...
Work groups...
Author collaboration...
I have seen quite a few.
Transplanted Texan
"I am here to chew bubble gum and kick some *** ... and I'm all out of bubble gum"
RE: HPP under attack!!!! - Guest - 11-26-2008
Suffice to say, that I will take care of my own sh1t. you can take care of yours. No one will every rip me off because I am diligent and meaner and nastier than they are. You should count yourself lucky to have a next door neighbors like Dick, Jay, Lack etc. for they are not cowering half men that tolerate. No we are real men that judicate if nessisary.
In the immortal works of GW, " Brang It on"!
RE: HPP under attack!!!! - Greg - 11-26-2008
The soldier lay hidden in his hole. He could hear the enemy creeping about in the darkness, and the moaning pleas for help from his wounded comrades. He had his weapon and plenty of ammo left. He vowed to blow away anyone that ventured to close. To bad he couldn't help his friends, but if he stayed quite and alert, he may very well make it through the night. Forget about standing together; it's everyman for himself now. Time to "judicate".
RE: HPP under attack!!!! - DickWilson - 11-26-2008
Just got our house sold, plan on being in Puna on 1 Feb. Going out on Black friday to Cabelas here to pick up a couple of their motion sensing 5 megapixel IR cameras for construction security. Should be pretty useful, no visible flash to alert scum to smile. Then maybe can get some of the low lifes out of circulation. Security, just like charity begins at home. Figure any actions you take to make your home safe from trash are well worth the effort.
dick wilson