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RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - opihikao - 06-29-2015
Aloha, Mr. Tom, (last post for the day for me...lol, Sir.) You stated:
"This is why I said earlier in the thread that I fear a break down in trust between the observatories and the protesters."
The trust factor is between the State/BLNR/UH and the protestors/protectors, not the other telescopes (nor TMT, in my opinion). Trust needs to be cultivated. To date, there is no trust, on both sides. DLNR, UH (and the State) have an obligation to ALL people of this issue. They have failed miserably, by admission, so far.
Unfortunately, Sir, all the other telescopes are subject to a burden that is not of their making. Today, the water truck and staff made it up just fine; the road is not closed, it is open to "authorized personnel". The protestors/protectors cleared the road themselves, with DLNR staff. Good. All "authorized personnel" can traverse the road safely.
Everyone there is mindful of safety, and well being of all. We (my ohana) continue to work towards resolution. It is going to be a challenge. We shall all meet that challenge.
Aloha ahiahi, Sir.
JMO.
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - MarkP - 06-29-2015
The trust factor is between the protesters and everyone they are affecting. As such they are burning numerous bridges.
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - beepbeep - 06-29-2015
Praying for peaceful resolution.
Pam in CA
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - TomK - 06-29-2015
Opihikao,
"The trust factor is between the State/BLNR/UH and the protestors/protectors, not the other telescopes (nor TMT, in my opinion). Trust needs to be cultivated. To date, there is no trust, on both sides. DLNR, UH (and the State) have an obligation to ALL people of this issue. They have failed miserably, by admission, so far."
I understand and agree with that, but the protesters and observatory staff interact every day near the VIS. For the most part things have been cordial, but they weren't last Wednesday when staff were stopped from working, some were prevented from coming down from the summit and many faced hostility and intimidation from the protesters. That's the "trust" I'm talking about.
Anyway, I'm calling it a night as well and hoping the extra time we have tomorrow refreshes me!
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - TomK - 06-29-2015
Mark,
"The trust factor is between the protesters and everyone they are affecting. As such they are burning numerous bridges."
OK, just one more post. I'm curious about the Mauna Kea tour companies. I've heard nothing from them. They must be losing business (as well as other companies that rely on business on Mauna Kea - water delivery, cleaning services, air conditioning contractors etc). I'm sure the tour companies have built in road closures into their business models, but assume that would include making up for closures at this time of year when weather is rarely a factor. It must be hard for them right now not knowing when they can offer tours again.
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - Guest - 06-29-2015
Good evening Tomk. This situation on Maunakea could really take some time, I think this is only the beginning,jmo. Things may change very quickly from this point on? The continued showing of great respect, aloha, and patience to the situation is still good advice. The national guard getting involved, may not be the best option of handling or ending this peacefully. Plenty said lately from our new oahu and state governor, while not so much from our once very confident or maybe more connected Mayor?
This is not only about stopping the TMT in my opinion? If the scientific community wants to give back the summit of Maunakea, these protectors will take it, jmo. If the maunakea road is blocked or gated by officers or the national gaurds. It will not keep the protectors out as there are way to many trails or soon to be dirt roads to go embarrassingly around. I do wonder if all hundreds of camera's and videos have had anything to do with the way the standoffs have transpired?
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - TomK - 06-29-2015
The protesters are going to construct dirt roads? Not that I expect an answer from you, you don't know what you're talking about and don't have the integrity or respect to do what you ask of others, but new roads? Utterly crazy. Where on earth will they be built?
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - MarkP - 06-30-2015
Kahookahi Kanuha, who is among a new generation of native Hawaiian activists, said the summit road was cleared of all rocks and ahus by late Friday afternoon after UH allowed some protesters to clean it up. He believes there’s no intention among those protecting the mountain to repeat what transpired.
"That is not our intention and we consider the safety of our own people, of those in opposition to us, as well as those who have no stance on this issue,” he said. “We consider the safety of all of these things, all of these people, the utmost priority."
For me one of the main characteristics of the Hawaiian Sovereignty movement is how fractured it is. Who is Kahookahi Kanuha? What percentage of Native Hawaiians does he represent? Obviously not all of them since if reports of the re-building of walls and other overt attempts to deny access are true, what he says above is meaningless. He didn't mean for it to happen but it did. He says it won't happen in the future but it is happening. More noise.
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - leilanidude - 06-30-2015
He is also a leader in the movement to make Hawaiian the first and only language taught and used in the school system, much like Faye Hanohano speaking in Hawaiian first in the legislature.
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That would be a disaster for the education of all children in Hawaii!
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - flyingsurfer - 06-30-2015
If I remember my Hawaiian history right.It was the Tahitians who brought
war,slavery, Human sacrifice as well as their taboos To a peaceful Hawaii.