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RE: Pahoa shipment story - Guest - 02-08-2013
quote:
Originally posted by ericlp
I highly doubt the Post Office will close. Maybe it will cut down for delivery of 3-4 times a week before it die's.
Reason is, The banking system, the PUC's, and a crap load of other industries (even the government itself) IRS, Courts, "OFFICIAL BUSINESS" uses the Post Office ... They are not going to pay over $1 dollar to send you water/power/credit card bills. It's not gonna happen unless you want to see your utility bill jump you better hope the Post Office stays in business. Besides all that. Look at the History of the pony express. USPS has been the mainstream and the government will never let it die. The government itself relies on it too much to let it happen.
You are correct that the post office will stay around, it is not legal for anybody else to compete with them on first class mail. It will continue to lose money and shut down services and locations. Just because its the status quo, does not make it the most efficient option available. I think some open competition on first class mail would really surprise people.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Pahoa shipment story - terracore - 02-12-2013
The US Postal Service is FedEx's largest single customer.
The US Postal service "monopoly" was originally suggested by Ben Franklin (the guy on the $100 bill) and appears as Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the US Constitution. It is for this reason that only private "overnight" services are allowed to deliver letters as that is not considered in competition with the postal service. The US Postal Service "Express Mail" is considered an overnight service however with the exception of the leg from the post office to the business or residence it's transfer is contracted through FedEx. While they would seem to be in competition with each other, their business is intimately intertwined, and neither FedEx nor any other carrier wants any part of delivering letters nationwide for 45 cents.
RE: Pahoa shipment story - Guest - 02-12-2013
Good explanation terracore
One note of a legal caution however.
The US Postal Service still remains the ONLY legal manner to officially transmit official correspondence.
RE: Pahoa shipment story - Guest - 02-12-2013
Ah yes, it is in the Constitution:
"To establish Post Offices and post Roads"
Where does it specify a monopoly? Where does it say competition would be bad?
Many countries like Germany, Netherlands, Japan and more are pursuing paths of postal liberalization and privatization with great results. Fact is, the USPS is failing and sticking to the status quo will not work. The Constitution does not prohibit private mail, it just gives Congress permission to run its own postal system, which it is failing at.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Pahoa shipment story - punaticbychoice - 02-12-2013
As I said, it's the pension mandate by a conservative Congress.
Dream on deluded libertarians.
Ayn Rand died on welfare.
We are not just a bunch of unconnected individuals.
And volunteerism and free associations as the basis for large and
complex societies don't work.
It is more difficult than you would like to believe.[
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RE: Pahoa shipment story - Guest - 02-12-2013
Ayn Rand was not a Libertarian, in fact she hated them.
We are connected, hopefully not by force.
Your absolutely right that I dream of a world where violence is not the answer.
I would argue however that volunteerism and free associations are what make society wealthy and prosperous with the most opportunity for all. Look at history, if there is something that has not worked, its violence and force.
Aloha
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Pahoa shipment story - Guest - 02-12-2013
Does no one think the declining volume of mail could be a major problem for the USPS? Especially if it is expected to continue functioning as it did.
This explains the problem pretty well, mail service will only get worse in Puna.
http://about.usps.com/future-postal-service/gcg-narrative.pdf
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Pahoa shipment story - Guest - 02-12-2013
Don't forget the 15 billion they already owe the treasury. I really don't care what happens to the USPS, I would just like to see the market opened up for competition.
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
RE: Pahoa shipment story - punaticbychoice - 02-13-2013
That all being said-
We need to privatize the US military.
Put it on a paying basis.
How much to lease a carrier battle group?
A division of soldiers?
A nuclear submarine?
A wing of aircraft?
I can see it now- Hawaii: "military exchange central of the Pacific"
Hmmm.
RE: Pahoa shipment story - terracore - 02-13-2013
quote:
Originally posted by Ken
quote:
Originally posted by terracore
The US Postal Service is FedEx's largest single customer.
The US Postal service "monopoly" was originally suggested by Ben Franklin (the guy on the $100 bill) and appears as Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the US Constitution. It is for this reason that only private "overnight" services are allowed to deliver letters as that is not considered in competition with the postal service. The US Postal Service "Express Mail" is considered an overnight service however with the exception of the leg from the post office to the business or residence it's transfer is contracted through FedEx. While they would seem to be in competition with each other, their business is intimately intertwined, and neither FedEx nor any other carrier wants any part of delivering letters nationwide for 45 cents.
Good explanation terracore
One note of a legal caution however.
The US Postal Service still remains the ONLY legal manner to officially transmit official correspondence.
that's strange. 99% of inter-government "mail" is sent through FedEx. The postal service doesn't offer a real tracking service nor a central billing option, both of which are requirements to bid on government shipping contracts.