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RE: what is going on in this yard? - Rob Tucker - 08-28-2013
Ag is ag. Cows, horses, chickens, pigs, rabbits, emus..... livestock of any kind. Spraying of herbicides, pesticides, machinery noise. It is what it is.
Listen to Kalakoa. If these ag uses are a major concern then find a parcel that doesn't have the ag issues. For my part I bought a 12k sf lot in a residential zone. Very happy. Nice neighbors. Everyone looks out for everyone. No theft problems in 20 years. Fact is when I first bought the place I was warned about theft. So when I returned to the mainland I left a six pack and a $35 tool on my front steps as a test. Came back a couple months later and they were still there. My 12k sf lot gives me all the yard work I want.... and I can walk to the stores and bank. There are still some old run down empty homes in Pahoa. Prime fixer uppers. One right behind Kaleo's. Nice opportunities. Keaau likely has some nice spots too.
RE: what is going on in this yard? - Carey - 08-28-2013
I answered this in another thread, but the birds are being raised as "Show Game Roosters". This is LEGAL in every state & there is an active export market of these birds in most every state. What is NOT legal is the fighting of these birds, but that, of course is never done here.... legally
As far as roosters in a residential, even in Waikiki, you will hear the crow of feral roosters.....unless you buy enough land & create a feral rooster proof perimeter...you will hear feral roosters just about everywhere on this island...That is just one of those quirky charms of living here....(but of course you may not LEGALLY own, or house, any chickens on your residential lot!)
ADDED: as I am writing this, six separate groups of roosters started sounding off (and we are in one of the most "town" lots in Keaau town...the upside of all of the rooseters is that I know when the meter reader is out checking the meters...and they are much better than a deaf dog at detecting strangers in our area...deaf dog uses flustered feral chicken activity as one of her clues to watch & guard...
RE: what is going on in this yard? - csgray - 08-28-2013
We put a deposit down and borrowed a rooster trap from the Kea'au Humane society to catch the roosters that were waking us up. We did this after feeding the feral flock around our house for a few months to get them used to being fed. We took the boys to the Humane society and let the hens go. We now have a nice flock of hens running wild that keep the centipede and coqui populations down and no roosters.
Carol
RE: what is going on in this yard? - sputnut - 08-28-2013
I will take up chainsaw art at 1 A.M. That's what I mean. On the side of my property where the rooster farmer lives, right on the property line. If they look like they are enjoying a quiet afternoon or taking a nap or having friends over, here we go with the chainsaw art!! VVRRROOOOMMM VROOOOM! Target practice with a nail gun sounds fun as well.POW! POW! POWPOWPOWPOW!!
I understand there are feral roosters, and not much I can do about them, but not 30 right next door every morning! That's quite inconsiderate, don't you think? There HAS to be something one can do. All I want is the ability to enjoy my property and I will let them enjoy theirs, that's all.
CS.. great idea for the feral ones! I will keep that in mind. (I was wondering if they ate the coqui frogs..)
comin' your way soon!
RE: what is going on in this yard? - kalakoa - 08-28-2013
If you're going to play that game, invest in some meters so you can measure dbM at the property line. Also, be sure to report coqui frogs to County, they're 20db over the limit.
On the other hand, if you have better things to do with your time, find some property that's zoned R or FA, or consider living in Ainaloa.
That said, D2K's crusade to raise property tax collection means County has plenty of funds with which to investigate the loudness of your chainsaw.
RE: what is going on in this yard? - kalakoa - 08-29-2013
I would suggest that people who try to "make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" are a bigger long-term threat to the economic viability of the County.
Repeat after me: Ag is not "residential". Get over it.
Admittedly, I went through some of this when I first moved here; I thought "surely, County will fix the roads" (etc, etc). I've since realized that everything is basically frozen as is, where is, and it's far far easier (and more productive) to "play the hand you're dealt". I'm happy to live "in the country" even with all the deficient infrastructure, roosters, etc.
You live in the country. If you don't like living in the country, move to the city. Don't try to force your neighbors to "upgrade" to a residential lifestyle.
It's like buying a house near the airport, then making it your life's work to shut down the airport because it's noisy. The airport was there before you bought your house. You don't have to live there.
RE: what is going on in this yard? - davidr - 08-31-2013
One day, there will be more progressive thinkers living here than status quo people and things will change quite dramatically. If people have a problem with that, they should start making plans to move on to somewhere else.
RE: what is going on in this yard? - sputnut - 08-31-2013
I am very much a live and let live kind of guy. I wouldn't complain of every noise. I am not one of those, let's get that straight now, because I get the impression some on here feel I am one of those neighbors who constantly complain, and I am not.
I'm not talking about moving in next to a rooster farm and going after them,( I won't buy near one) but if I find a nice place and buy it then one of those "people" move in next door ("people" meaning ones with no consideration like rooster farmers and nonstop barking of dogs and drunken screaming fights every weekend, etc.)then I will not be a happy neighbor and do all I can to keep the nuisance away from my home.
I would never move a herd of obnoxiously noisy animals in between several family homes, only a world class jerk would do that, and I have no desire to live next to a world class jerk. (or the unnecessary noise that they bring.) If I were so inclined to raise such a herd, I would move to a place where I would not be disturbing anyone. An old saying holds true here, "your rights end when they infringe on mine", and I have a right to peace and privacy, to enjoy my land. If they infringe on that, I have every right to be upset. The frogs won't bother me, and neither will the occasional wild rooster close enough to wake me, but dozens of roosters crowing nonstop from 3 am til dark EVERY DAY is what I am talking about.
comin' your way soon!
RE: what is going on in this yard? - csgray - 08-31-2013
If you want to avoid roosters moving in next door, but want space between you and the neighbors, you would be better off buying multiple smaller lots that aren't zoned ag instead of a larger lot in HPP, Orchidland, Hawaiian Acres or similar neighborhood. Nanawale has rules against roosters, and they are few and far between in Ainaloa. Otherwise, if it is a legal use of the land according to the zoning, and you try to retaliate, you would be the one who could wind up on charges for harassment. We had a rooster farmer move into the rental behind us, there was nothing we could do about it legally. He didn't pay his rent and eventually got evicted, but as long as he wasn't having cock fights on the land it was a legal use for an ag zoned lot. Unless the zoning is changed (unlikely) there will continue to be roosters on ag land. It is a common thing for adolescent boys to have a few roosters stacked out behind their mom's house, and the roosters are a firmly entrenched part of the culture here.
Carol
RE: what is going on in this yard? - ourdoc - 08-31-2013
We have the same problem here. Bought the lot had house put up all was great, that was 23 years ago... 2 years after we moved in the neighbor bought the house there and moved in, with his 75 roosters. We have fought for over 20 years, even County Council was asked to change the law limiting them to one rooster per property which is the law in many counties and states across the nation INCLUDING AG LOTS. There is NO legitimate reason to have more than ONE rooster. But as you said, nothing comes of it. The only thing good at this point is the guy is in his 80's and even his kids hate the roosters, so once he goes, so do they.
The people on here saying "find other land", or "you move, this is AG", or "its not a big deal the frogs are louder", or "but there are feral roosters", all of these are nothing but excuses, coming from someone who has NEVER lived next door to 75 roosters who wake you up in a huge chorus at 3 am and during the day when fed, make enough noise that you could not even hear your TV for 20 minutes even at full volume, or place a simple phone call and be able to hear each other. If they had, they wouldn't make those idiotic statements. Trust me, I have people on the phone doing triple takes and asking do you really live in Hawaii?" "It sounds like your on an Arkansas farm..."
We have tried the chainsaw, and stereo and all, it makes no difference. Law enforcement wont do a thing because the County Council refuses to do anything. Even being AG lots this should be illegal period. To say they are being raised as "show birds" this ends the AG argument, you cannot have it both ways. No one eats roosters, and there is no legitimate commercial FOOD use for them in agricultural, which is why many States have limited them to ONE.
Lastly, to those saying "its AG get over it" all Hawaii County would have to do, is to adopt the same ordinances that Honolulu has. You can read them here" http://www1.honolulu.gov/council/ocs/roh/7.pdf
In fact, the only part they would have to include would be "Enclosures for farm animals shall not be located within 300 feet of any property line". That would basically make the little rooster houses illegal on any single lot in HPP.
And yes, you can tell this is a touchy subject for me, but 20 years of roosters will do that to you, that and destroy your hearing. The neighbor on the other side of him who bought that house a year after we did has had his house up for sale for 6 years, and anyone that comes hears the roosters and walks away. They finally moved back to the mainland and left the house for sale as they just couldn't take the noise anymore.. I am really tired of having to go to sleep with my windows closed because of roosters, but no one will buy a house sitting next to these noisy stinky self serving pieces of garbage, or the birds..