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RE: Pahoa's History and Future - bluesboy - 04-04-2015
This topic seems like an interesting application to a though process that is so prevalent in Puna.
I personally don't care for preservation plans or historic districts. I believe in building something to the best of technology and resources at the time. Renovating a town to 1950's standards isn't really that cool in 2020.
RE: Pahoa's History and Future - james weatherford - 04-04-2015
quote:
Originally posted by bluesboy
I personally don't care for preservation plans or historic districts. I believe in building something to the best of technology and resources at the time. Renovating a town to 1950's standards isn't really that cool in 2020.
Thank you, Bluesboy.
This expresses more or less the matter my initial post/questions were addressed at.
Another statement by someone else that I discussed this with is also pertinent: "Old buildings are not the same as history."
RE: Pahoa's History and Future - PauHana - 04-04-2015
You seem to have some fast company when it comes to ditching the past. Obviously all those ancient civilizations were not "sustainable" so all traces should be wiped away. Nothing to be learned there!
https://www.google.com/search?q=taliban+destroyed+buddhist+statues&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=iaUgVabuFpK2ogSeyIA4&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=942
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=942&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=isis+destroyed+monuments&oq=isis+destroyed+&gs_l=img.1.1.0l8j0i10j0.44812.52359.0.56937.20.20.0.0.0.0.155.2324.0j19.19.0.msedr...0...1c.1.64.img..17.3.427.YuHb_tywgmA
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=942&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=timbukto+destroyed+monuments&oq=timbukto+destroyed+monuments&gs_l=img.12...45366.53309.0.55934.8.8.0.0.0.0.150.1003.0j8.8.0.msedr...0...1c.1.64.img..8.0.0.tVOFzkn0DKU
RE: Pahoa's History and Future - ironyak - 04-04-2015
This topic seems like an interesting application of a thought process that is so prevalent on punaweb - options are presented as false dilemmas with only one solution.
Old town Pahoa could be:
- Historically preserved with like materials and methods
- Character preserved maintaining style but with modern materials & methods
- Modernized as buildings are replaced
- Raized to make way for big box stores
- Replaced with some idealized but completely undefined sustainable future
- etc etc etc
While you have one read on the store fronts James, consider the views of those whose families worked the fields, or built those stores, or had any number of important moments occur therein. History is complex with many experiences and readings - the best preservation efforts captures these many facets.
FWIW - I say keep Old Town Pahoa's style as it is and historically preserve key buildings such as the Akebono. Pahoa already has a big box approach in the Marketplace and Longs and enough open lands to allow for a new sustainable future development whatever that might mean (actual details?)
RE: Pahoa's History and Future - Obie - 04-04-2015
I always chuckle when someone mentions sustainability and Puna !!!
RE: Pahoa's History and Future - Punatic007 - 04-04-2015
I think the entire Pahoa historic revamp thingy is silly given the area is highly prone to seismic and volcanic activity, as we have recently experienced. All of history is wrought with inequities, perhaps countering our past infractions with more sustainable agriculture is the way to go.
That said, I like this thought provoking thread and James Weatherford, an impressive man of integrity, insight and intelligence. James how do you feel about running for mayor?
RE: Pahoa's History and Future - PunaMauka2 - 04-04-2015
ironyak - "This topic seems like an interesting application of a thought process that is so prevalent on punaweb - options are presented as false dilemmas with only one solution."
agree. a rather strange thread that way from the get-go. i guess absolutely everything is all about material efficiency ..no balance? also, i suppose a whole lotta resources are wasted on the arts in society. in this new zero waste tolerance modern world i suppose all the arts ought to promote a sustainability message or get left by the wayside. maybe start a blacklist of old films which might be determined to honor outdated unsustainable practices ...pretty much everything with old outmoded buildings or gas guzzling cars in it.
get ready for the ultra green film festival in the new entirely compostable Akebono theater
RE: Pahoa's History and Future - ironyak - 04-05-2015
I agree with 007 that I tend to find Weatherford's statements intelligent and articulate, but these posts of his are oddly cryptic.
Should Pahoa's future development be sustainable? You know what I mean, nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more. A nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat, you know what I mean, say no more.
RE: Pahoa's History and Future - james weatherford - 04-05-2015
PahHana -- "wiped away" is your term, not mine, and neither is it my desire.
ironyak -- I asked questions and still do not see a total solution.
actually, what put me to thinking (again) about this was a discussion with a neighbor whose grandfather came here from Japan in the late 1800's as a woodcutter.
PM2 -- as I said to ironyak, I asked questions, because I see a contradiction.
punatic007 -- thanks.
RE: Pahoa's History and Future - kalakoa - 04-05-2015
Oversimplified solution:
1. Old-Town Pahoa remains exactly as-is. If a building collapses, a reproduction is built.
2. New Old Town Pahoa is built according to the Pahoa Town Historic Style Guidelines, but in a place that's not so directly in the path of lava.
3. Weatherford for Mayor.