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RE: economic impact of TMT "controversy" - Aaron S - 09-19-2015
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Originally posted by dakine
Not to say "worry" is the right approach, but I suspect having too casual of an attitude isn't either. I would not be lulled into thinking that the USGS will always be able to provide extended warnings. Mauna Loa's history is incredible, and even the 1984 eruption took the scientists at HVO by surprise.
The real elephant in the room is Hualalai. Its way overdue for an eruption. It last erupted in 1801, although it came close to erupting in 1929. Everyone gets all worked up about Mauna Loa and the threat that it poses. Hualalai has the potential of destroying a large swath of Kailua-Kona and all of the expensive real estate that is on its flanks. However, I'm not going to live my life worrying about it. If it erupts again, it will erupt again. There is absolutely zero things you can do to prevent this from happening. Same thing applies to Mauna Loa.
RE: economic impact of TMT "controversy" - pahoated - 09-20-2015
In a way, the protest against TMT on Mauna Kea has acted like a smoke screen, hiding other activities that are far more harmful to the environment.
The US Navy has now gotten approval to conduct full scale sonar and explosives exercises in Maui Channel. They have been given permission to have "collateral damage" of hundreds of whales and dolphins. This is in association with P-8 testing, meaning high altitude test drops of multiple ordinance. Somehow, these approvals are flying through with no native or even kamaaina transplant protesters, when they know what happened to Kahoolawe. As TV Batman would say, "Poor misguided creatures".
"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"
RE: economic impact of TMT "controversy" - kalakoa - 09-20-2015
http://westhawaiitoday.com/news/local-news/tmt-still-shooting-2024-completion-work-continues-mirror-other-telescope-features
Bolte also said the board hasn't updated the estimated cost of the project, which is $1.4 billion in 2012 dollars, despite construction delays and higher security costs.
With its land use permit before the Supreme Court, there's also the possibility of the project having to seek approval again from the state’s Board of Land and Natural Resources if the justices find the land board violated the due process of TMT opponents.
If that happens, he said the TMT board would have to decide whether it wants to stick with Mauna Kea and restart the process in the face of stiffer opposition.
RE: economic impact of TMT "controversy" - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-20-2015
We are about to invade planet Beta Pictoris b.
It is 60 light years away.
How do I know this you might ask?
Look at the evidence, the just released video of the gas giant orbiting it's sun:
This is the best footage yet of an exoplanet orbiting its star...thanks to the incredible optical engineering that’s gone into the Gemini Planet Imager (GPI) instrument on the Gemini South telescope in Chile. GPI’s adaptive optics system sharpens the image of the target star by canceling out distortion caused by Earth’s atmosphere.
http://gizmodo.com/this-is-the-best-footage-yet-of-an-exoplanet-orbiting-i-1731789020
Now let's look at the evidence:
#1 The Protesters have repeatedly pointed out that the TMT will have military applications, as it uses "adaptive optics," to improve the images it gathers, a technology first used by the military. It's simple logic, any application invented or first utilized by the military will always lead back to the military. Like the internet you now use, or the Protesters employ in their social media outreach program. We are all pawns in the web. Certainly this new video from Chile must have military applications.
#2 TomK has been noticeably absent this past week. Did it occur to anyone else that the days he was missing coincides with the release of this new video of Beta Pictoris b? He claims to have been "busy" with work, but that's just the half of it. Clearly astronomers are part of the military-industrial-astronomical round table (only shape that fits in an observatory) discussions which concern the imminent space launch and invasion of Beta Pictoris b.
#3 But HOTPE, you say, the exoplanet is 60 light years away. Why would we want to go there? Why indeed. Obviously for fuel. For now scientists claim Beta Pictoris b is a "gas giant." But it's got to be more than your average, regular gas giant or even an ethanol free 89 octane giant. Most likely it's a secret infinite source of energy. An extremely powerful and compact form of fuel that the wily scientists have decided to extract and then transport back to earth in a modified Space X Dragon capsule, hopefully through a wormhole to speed up the travel time. Notice how quiet scientists have been about wormholes lately? Exactly like the frogs and dogs in Puna right before an earthquake. Just wait, you'll see, we're obviously about to receive an earth rattling announcement concerning Wormhole Space Travel. Possibly two announcements within a few weeks of each other, as they always come in pairs. I hope the second disclosure is a wormhole passing lane, because no matter how fast the first wormhole might be, somebody is bound to block the space traffic when they insist on traveling 10% slower than the speed of light. With their blinker accidentally turned on. "What? I thought they were going to turn off at Alpha Centauri..."
So TomK, what have you to say? Anything you can reveal to a few (discreet) friends on Punaweb? Any chance the adaptive optics on the TMT might discover a Gold Planet? Or a Diamond Planet? Or perhaps the rarest discovery in all the universe, a planet populated by competent, honest county workers willing to relocate in Hawaii?
RE: economic impact of TMT "controversy" - kimo wires - 09-20-2015
60 light years = 360,000,000,000,000 miles,
Or 360 trillion miles.
I won't hold my breath.
RE: economic impact of TMT "controversy" - Guest - 09-20-2015
I had a dream in which it was revealed to me how to construct a warp drive. It is not simple, but not over the top either. It presumes the quantization of space, which has been postulated but not proven. So we can get on with it, or sit around and wait for them to prove the quantization of space. We really can go to these exoplanets. You could build a starship for about the cost of an aircraft carrier. Designing and constructing the drive would be on a par with the Manhattan Project. Much of the work has already been done with the magnets for the LHC. Problem is, the warp drive only provides acceleration. There is no Hollywood BS cancellation of time dilation effects. So any travel to an exoplanet is the big goodbye to anything/anyone you leave behind. So anyway, now I have something to do when it rains.
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You can't fix Samsara.
RE: economic impact of TMT "controversy" - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 09-20-2015
Problem is, the warp drive only provides acceleration.
The value of a good set of warp brakes, or hyper brakes cannot be overstated.
RE: economic impact of TMT "controversy" - punaticbychoice - 09-20-2015
HOTPE:
LOL. Thank you.
RE: economic impact of TMT "controversy" - punaticbychoice - 09-20-2015
kimo wires @ 09:25:14
Unless the Borg are coming to assimilate us at warp 10.
They have good warp brakes.
Still quite a while though.
What would assimilation by the Borg do for Hawaii political culture?
RE: economic impact of TMT "controversy" - TomK - 09-20-2015
HOTPE,
"So TomK, what have you to say? Anything you can reveal to a few (discreet) friends on Punaweb? Any chance the adaptive optics on the TMT might discover a Gold Planet? Or a Diamond Planet? Or perhaps the rarest discovery in all the universe, a planet populated by competent, honest county workers willing to relocate in Hawaii?"
Well, keep this to yourself, I would hate this to become public knowledge, but my absence last week was really because I attended a secret government working group meeting. There's more money to be made from diamonds than gas these days, and we were exploring techniques to mine 55 Cancri e, but the locals started protesting and threw asteroids into the inter-planetary approach route which made it impossible for the mining space vehicles to get there safely.
http://www.space.com/18011-super-earth-planet-diamond-world.html