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RE: Civil Beat article about Puna - shockwave rider - 10-15-2015
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Originally posted by Lodestone
quote:He moved here in 1984. That's 31 years ago. What's the expiration date on "malihini" status?
Originally posted by pahoated
These malihini meltdown stories are entertaining and informative.
Anyone who moved here even one hour after PT is malahini.
RE: Civil Beat article about Puna - Bill - 10-16-2015
Hard to believe that Graham lived in the same community as I. Where he has found an amazing amount on negatives, I only find an equal number of positives. Go figure.
RE: Civil Beat article about Puna - Guest - 10-16-2015
Every place is not for everyone. Certainly not here. But I love the wild and untamed nature of Puna and its people. This place is unique. Freedom is not Free and it is certainly not easy. Everyone has bad days and looking back is seldom a good idea, but there is just enough rain here that when the sun comes out it is like heaven. The problems here are solvable and people are working them. It will take time. Anyone who wants to live in a disaster free area is on the wrong planet.
FWIW when I was visiting years ago and staying at a B&B near Pohiki, the owner told us that the previous occupant of our bungalow was a retiring corporate executive. He had traveled the world for over a year looking for a place to retire. Checked out other islands, foreign countries, gated communities and finally settled on....Puna. I am not making this up. It grabs you or pushes you away. But maybe at some point it lets you go.
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RE: Civil Beat article about Puna - Punatic007 - 10-16-2015
Lots of people around here like that Imagtek, more than we realize. My neighborhood has a disproportionate percentage of seriously talented folk who prefer to stay out of the public eye.
Anarchists with a high intelligence seems to be the common denominator in the non-welfare abusing crowd.
Unfortunately our welfare systems is generous and like live bait to scammers. It gets a little old to see the majority of folk in the checkout line using food stamps for decades as though it's an entitlement lifestyle.
RE: Civil Beat article about Puna - Guest - 10-16-2015
I used to argue with the guy I built my house with about entitlements. My drift was there are too many and too easy. His drift was it is the price you pay to keep crime down. After much reflection, I think he was right. Take away entitlements and people will do whatever they have to do to survive. That does not necessarily mean pursuing jobs that do not exist because some PhD economist from Harvard trotted out in front of congress says that it is more 'efficient' for production to follow slave labor to foreign countries, and that people rendered destitute by such movement must 'follow employment opportunities'. It never occurs to such pampered idiots that most people call a place home, and they will stay there and do whatever it takes to survive. So yeah, I see the EBT cards in the checkout line, but at least they are not getting the money robbing me, because what other alternative do they have? Then there are the ones too messed up on meth to figure out how to get an EBT card. These are the ones who cause trouble.
But I love this place. Naked reality shines bright here.
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You can't fix Samsara.
RE: Civil Beat article about Puna - Punatic007 - 10-16-2015
Can't say I fully agree with your point of view, but your post is beautifully written.
RE: Civil Beat article about Puna - dakine - 10-16-2015
It gets a little old to see the majority of folk in the checkout line using food stamps for decades as though it's an entitlement lifestyle...
That seems a bit harsh 007. I am sure, especially in areas like Puna, abuse is common, but to generalize it in such a way as to focus on all users of the welfare system as such is really doing the good the system does a disservice methinks. In an area like Puna, because of it's relatively low cost of living, it's easy to imagine there are a lot of very deserving citizens receiving the same assistance. Disabled veterans come to mind. Man, regardless of ones belief in our armed services and its application I am sure (I hope) you would agree they are one group that is very deserving of our collective kindness. In fact I would imagine, besides the relative poor quality of our health care system, Puna is a very attractive option for disabled people. And, you know, most disabilities last a long time, longer than decades, for life! I don't know the statistics, but there must be an appreciable percentage of citizens in any society that are in need. Are you really begrudging all of them?
Not to put too fine a point on it 007 but America probably gives more "welfare" to it's rich than ever it gives to the truly needy, and those that might take advantage of the system. The larger problem (methinks) is the subsidies we give to corporate entities like the oil industry. Talk about welfare brah!
Sorry for the detour from the main point of the thread but I thought 007's generalizations could use a little tempering.
RE: Civil Beat article about Puna - kalakoa - 10-17-2015
America probably gives more "welfare" to it's rich than ever it gives to the truly needy
There's no "probably" about it: the rich can afford to lobby for tax breaks, end of story.
As far as "people buying groceries with food stamps", I don't care what color the money is, just ring it up and let's go already. An EBT card is vastly preferable to someone writing a check... and logging the check... and digging out some photo ID...
RE: Civil Beat article about Puna - alaskyn66 - 10-17-2015
It's cheaper to have people on welfare... Than incarcerate them..do the math. If people can't eat... They will steal their food. The max a household would (legally) get in FS... Is (about) 300 dollars a month... Okay, multiply that by 12..
Jail, prison spends at least 30 to 50 thousand a year babysitting these fools. - how high of taxs would you like to pay..
Work..Consume...Obey - There's your meaning of life....
RE: Civil Beat article about Puna - kalakoa - 10-17-2015
prison spends at least 30 to 50 thousand a year babysitting these fools
Closer to $65K.
Consider the long-term: if everyone is in jail, who will pay for it?