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RE: 75% more deaths - PaulW - 12-20-2016
Tom, where did you get those stats? I'm having difficulty finding them. This one suggests possibly 39 for 2004 and 34 for 2003.
http://www.hawaiipolice.com/dui-statistics-12-27-04
I see a downward trend but I know how graphs can sometimes give the wrong impression.
RE: 75% more deaths - shockwave rider - 12-20-2016
Don't forget these are incomplete numbers, any fatalities on "private" subdivision roads open to the public are not counted. I guess the county thinks you are less dead if you die in HPP or Hawaiian Acres instead of on Kinoole.
RE: 75% more deaths - Guest - 12-20-2016
The Hawaii Police dept has also had a recent rise in gun or vehicle related fatalities.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33389544/former-police-officer-indicted-in-fatal-waikoloa-collision-with-bicyclist
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2016/02/05/video-shooting-at-puainako-center-mcdonalds-in-hilo/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtIlgdOBxXs
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2016/06/06/video-police-shoot-kill-man-and-pit-bull-in-hilo/
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/stabbing-suspect-shot-killed-police
http://www.hawaii247.com/2016/07/21/man-dead-after-police-shooting-in-hawaiian-paradise-park/
Would these type of recent fatalities count as traffic fatalities? Many of these folks die (R.I.P) in their vehicles on our roads or our highway.
Another young woman was also struck and killed this year on our Highway near HPP, easter night. How would a fatality like this be accounted for?
http://www.hawaii247.com/2016/07/21/man-dead-after-police-shooting-in-hawaiian-paradise-park/
My bad, I apologize for my wording use.
still very disturbing to see so many young folks dying these days by these one-sided police shoot-outs. I would rather die on the phone in my car than by the hands of the police. jmo
I don't think peoples bus/related cell phone use and or texting is causing as many fatalities as the increase of their new police vehicles and their new business/related Guns. jmo
RE: 75% more deaths - PaulW - 12-20-2016
No, I don't think a police shooting counts as a traffic accident but thanks for your input!
RE: 75% more deaths - shockwave rider - 12-20-2016
Or as "work related caused fatalities." The cops aren't dying, the people they shoot are.
RE: 75% more deaths - lavalava - 12-20-2016
All that stroking from Pog put Gypper off his game...
RE: 75% more deaths - PaulW - 12-20-2016
Please take your thoughts on the police to another thread. Thank you.
RE: 75% more deaths - Midnight Rambler - 12-20-2016
So from the numbers Tom posted, it's not that 2016 saw a big spike, it's that it was a typical year while 2014 and 2015 were unusually low. And it's worth noting that the population has increased significantly over the past 12 years, while the traffic deaths have been steady or gone down slightly.
RE: 75% more deaths - Peter Easterling - 12-20-2016
While increased traffic deaths are troubling, they serve mainly as a caution signal to the rest of us. Drive safely, soberly and cautiously. The numerical increase over one year is not significant. The law of large numbers is usually more valid than anecdotal or small number samples.
RE: 75% more deaths - HawaiiTedd - 12-20-2016
Based on the data, a more appropriate question is "Why were there fewer traffic deaths in 2014 and 2015 than in previous years and in the subsequent year 2016?"
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