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RE: Pending dog abuse laws - Kapoho Joe - 03-17-2017
24/7 tethering is bad enough but when you add LFA into the mix, it oughta be a felony.
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - TomK - 04-16-2017
Hunt wrote:
"Almost everywhere I go I see some form of dog abuse around here. Finally something might be done about it.
http://www.stophawaiidogabuse.com/laws/pending-laws/"
The bill has failed to get through the House.
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/dog-tethering-measure-dies
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - leo - 04-16-2017
Thanks for the update Tom. That's disappointing news especially for our four legged friends.
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - TomK - 04-16-2017
Well, as I mentioned earlier, even if the bill had passed and became law, I don't think it would have made any difference here since dog laws are generally not enforced anyway. On the other hand, I would like to know why the bill failed as right now it seems legislators don't care about dog cruelty either.
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - kalakoa - 04-17-2017
dog laws are generally not enforced anyway
Most laws aren't enforced. Maybe start there.
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - Eric1600 - 04-17-2017
I don't know if anyone remembers this, but I lobbied PunaWeb to get support for this last year. There were 3 bills which included a means of funding and enforcement: Senate Bills 2263, 2273 and 2270. None of them reached the table. If the people don't push, nothing will ever happen to change things.
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/trio-animal-cruelty-bills-fail-get-support
quote:
“We’re going to keep the push on, and we’ll be back next year with some animal bills — whether the same or different — and we’ll keep the pressure on and keep discussing this,” he [Puna Sen. Russell Ruderman] said.
Current status on SB700 http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=700&year=2017
Which is not as good as the previous 3 bills that went nowhere shows it is still in debate. But there's no funding really or enforcement provisions. They've also weakened the bill to just say shouldn't be constrained longer than specified by county ordinances [if the county even has any]
3/24/2017 H Passed Second Reading as amended in HD 1 and referred to the committee(s) on JUD with none voting aye with reservations; none voting no (0) and Representative(s) Aquino, DeCoite, Har, Ichiyama, C. Lee, Thielen excused (6).
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - glassnumbers - 04-17-2017
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Pointing out a genuinely bad aspect of local culture isn't wrong. This may be one reason so little is done about it; people are afraid of being labelled a bigot for doing the compassionate thing. That hesitancy has to be overcome. As HI residents we're quick to point out the flaws of mainland culture, the pushiness, the aggressive assertiveness...etc. We can't let that blind us to the fact that local culture isn't perfect. Tradition doesn't trump doing the right thing.
Yeah one problem there is the two largest populations aren't native, so the whites/asians aren't allowed to criticize local culture and they compose 64% of Hawai'i's population. So well over half the entire populace of Hawai'i can't say **** about the local culture at any point.
Another issue is that people don't care or feel entitled.
"Tradition doesn't trump doing the right thing." tell that to the TMT protestors. Look how far they went out of their way to protest something that would only help them. I have no faith in anyone handling their dogs differently.
Aloha
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - Kapoho Joe - 04-17-2017
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Originally posted by kalakoa
dog laws are generally not enforced anyway
Most laws aren't enforced. Maybe start there.
We should not pass any more laws until we hire more police. One without the other is a waste of time.
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - glassnumbers - 04-17-2017
First off, more cops is not better. Look at Ferguson and what happened there, more cops isn't the answer to any problem. If you want something to exist on the Big Island, you pretty much have three options from what I've read here and elsewhere. One you have the massive amount of capital to just buy whatever it is. Two, you research an area where the thing exists and you live there. Or three, you make the thing happen by yourself. You go off the grid, you hook up the solar cells, you drink the rainwater and clean out your catchment tank.
Nobody posting on Punaweb is a millionaire, so we can't just buy the cops, or pressure them via donations and lobbyists. Apparently there doesn't exist an area naturally where the laws are enforced, so #2 is out as well. That leaves option #3, folks. If you feel badly about the dogs, you're going to have to free them yourself.
Aloha
RE: Pending dog abuse laws - kalakoa - 04-17-2017
We should not pass any more laws until we hire more police.
More staff does not automatically create a higher rate of enforcement.
Look no further than the existing situation.
"Are they local? Well, then, you know... no harm done..."
Might as well just offer a tax credit for use of the "Correct" dog leash.