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RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - TomK - 01-30-2019
I found this hard to watch as there's a lot of discussion about UKIRT, but thought Bob McLaren did a great job trying to explain things. UKIRT is targeted for closure for political reasons, not scientific. Why close the most scientifically productive telescopes on the planet other than for political reasons?
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2019/01/29/video-update-on-taking-telescopes-off-mauna-kea/
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - dan d - 01-31-2019
With 2.7 million to pay to supress the alegged " tantrum u said" it might be a whimper
HPP
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - TomK - 01-31-2019
dan_d - with respect, I have no idea what the following means:
"With 2.7 million to pay to supress the alegged " tantrum u said" it might be a whimper"
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - dan d - 01-31-2019
The state funded the dlnr 2.7 million to help the staff on the Mauna help to circumvent any possible civil disobedience on the Mauna in case this may happen with the restart of the building of TMT. Was in the news shortlyq after the new that the state sup court had found for dlnr and TMT.
So now the enforcement monies aee ripe for tje spending should any civil disobedience be observed happening.
The whimper will be the show of force with semi auto carbines,tear gas etc now funded and trained and on the mauna in case.
Just standing by sir.
Aloha
HPP
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - TomK - 02-01-2019
Semi-auto carbines and tear gas? I'm not sure any of the current observatories on Mauna Kea are prepared for this. It seems like a bit of an overreaction if that's the plan.
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - Guest - 02-02-2019
Over a telescope!!!
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - MarkP - 02-02-2019
It is a common canard to describe such a situation as sending armed police out against telescope protesters. That is no longer the case. These protesters are no longer protesting against a telescope. That was before. Now they are protesting against the rule of law and I have no problem using whatever level of force is necessary to get them to comply with the law.
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - Guest - 02-02-2019
I stand corrected. In that case, break out the water-cannons!!
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - knieft - 02-02-2019
MarkD: There might be some religious belief being trampled here. IMO, the TMT supporters are correct: 1) Mauna Kea’s spiritual value has been much exaggerated and 2) the physical and historical evidence that would demonstrate such value is slim.
ohiagrrl: MarkD, (snipped some stuff).... but your final statement that Mauna Kea's spiritual value has been exxagerated is from a perspective that lacks an appreciation or reverence for spirituality. (snipped some stuff) This is THE issue that has pushed more than one solid TMT supporter over to the other side.
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More than one? Two perhaps? Solid ones, I mean...?
I have it on good authority, with a reverence and appreciation for spirituality, who probably exaggerates thanks in part to an overindulgence in grog, that the only thing keeping Mauna Kea from bursting out of the baby blanket atmosphere and into space itself are the many MANY noodley appendages pressing down hard, which are required to keep it firm and proper, as they have been since before the menuhune were enslaved and eradicated.
If you want spirituality goodness, and the various tomato sauces, elongated grass seed contrivances, and cheeses (Romano, Asigio, etc. etc.) to unite us all, I suspect THE issue is for all of us to unite under the sauces of His Noodley Appendage and be transformed. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is alive and pushing, awaiting your conversion, indeed all of our conversions, and He will unite us, one and all, into the Olive Garden of Eden.
Pastafarians unite! Save Mauna Kea! Save the TMT! Save all telescropracy!
(And, as an aside, though it likely goes without saying, please be sure to don full pirate regalia on each and every Friday to combat global warming. There is a graph which proves, conclusively, that the decline in the number of pirates is the cause of global warming. We need continued snowfall on Mauna Kea if we are to have any chance whatsoever to work our way out of this mess.)
Cheers,
Kirt
Edit: sauces
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - glinda - 02-02-2019
There is a graph which proves, conclusively, that the decline in the number of pirates is the cause of global warming.
Sir Francis Drake must be rolling over in his grave!