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RE: alas, Graham, we hardly knew ye - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 06-06-2017
We don't know the details of the 2 DUI's.
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the last one happened 14 years ago, it triggered his deportation instead.
Ortiz had too many drinks 14 years ago. Graham couldn't complete his paperwork due to an offense 30 years ago. Both of them did pretty well for themselves in the interim. Read the mostly positive comments about Graham that have been posted at the bottom of the news story since this morning. He helped a lot of people, and his contributions to Big Island residents was greatly appreciated.
Should mistakes follow a person around forever? Or just mistakes which might be considered victimless crimes? In contrast to, let's say, someone who bails on almost a billion dollars in accounts payable to his vendors. Vendors who are trying their best to run a business and support a family. In a case like that all that follows the bankrupt con-man around is seventeen years of tax free living, while the losers and chumps who thought they were dealing with a legitimate, honest customer struggle for years afterward.
As kalakoa pointed out, rules and laws. For everyone.
RE: alas, Graham, we hardly knew ye - Kapoho Joe - 06-06-2017
Good riddance.
RE: alas, Graham, we hardly knew ye - geochem - 06-06-2017
Is this the same Graham Ellis who was illegally cutting trees on state land and illegally renting "structures" on state land?
Afraid I don't understand all the sympathy for him. Sounds to me like he was an arrogant scofflaw...
I find this immigration issue completely incomprehensible in the context of Trump's presidency. All this moaning and crying about his antagonism toward illegal immigrants and at the same time all the outrage that Trump hasn't and isn't following the law of the land. Yet many of these immigrants are here because Obama's administration decided to ignore the immigration laws (among others) - not a breath of objection to that....
If each administration is going to follow only the laws they "like" pretty soon, anarchy will follow. If you don't like particular laws, you get them changed. Yes, it's difficult, it's meant to be. It helps avoid frivolous rules... if only it could completely eliminate them.
RE: alas, Graham, we hardly knew ye - Chunkster - 06-06-2017
DUI is serious. Ask anyone who has lost a loved one to a drunk driver.
I'm still curious as to what Graham Ellis did 30 years ago that precluded him from getting legal status then. That tidbit was conveniently omitted from the WHT article. There are ways, given that much time, to get minor offenses expunged. So what did he do, and why did it take this long to deport him?
Although I'm sure it has nothing to do with the ICE process now underway, there was quite a contentious discussion here on Punaweb a few years ago about Ellis' activities in Seaview subdivision involving noise and building rental bungalows on state land. Kapoho Joe and some others don't think too highly of him.
RE: alas, Graham, we hardly knew ye - kalakoa - 06-06-2017
If you don't like particular laws, you get them changed.
Government has the freedom to interpret the laws and/or decline to enforce, they don't need to bother actually changing the laws in ways that might benefit the public with needless "certainty" about what the law actually says.
Ellis' activities in Seaview subdivision involving noise and building rental bungalows on state land
Ellis' only fail there was that he didn't do it "in the right way" -- that is. by following the rules and laws (for everyone). All he needed was a CDUP. Just like the one issued to TMT. (Is the "problem" obvious enough yet?)
RE: alas, Graham, we hardly knew ye - Eric1600 - 06-06-2017
DUI is serious. Ask anyone who has lost a loved one to a drunk driver.
But loose your home, business and kicked out of the country from something he was already punished for 14 years ago?
find this immigration issue completely incomprehensible in the context of Trump's presidency. All this moaning and crying about his antagonism toward illegal immigrants and at the same time all the outrage that Trump hasn't and isn't following the law of the land. Yet many of these immigrants are here because Obama's administration decided to ignore the immigration laws (among others) - not a breath of objection to that....
As I said, it's the rhetoric that is the problem with Trump and the lack of priorities. It is much easier to deport grandpas and grandmas than actual criminals which Obama focused on for ICE, not non-violent and non-criminals. And deportations were up under Obama. Statistically, more people were deported from the U.S. during the administration of President Barack Obama than during that of any other president. Under presidents Bush and Obama, the number of people deported by the U.S. in the course of a century was more than doubled in just 16 years of consecutive presidencies going back 105 years.
I'm still curious as to what Graham Ellis did 30 years ago that precluded him from getting legal status then.
According to the articles Graham doesn't have a record. Graham never applied for lawful permanent residence despite being married to an American citizen due to legal barriers arising from circumstances that occurred more than 30 years ago, which has played a role in events unfolding as they have in recent days. This could be any number of things as there are a lot of strange legal issues around immigration into the US that have nothing to do with crime.
RE: alas, Graham, we hardly knew ye - snorkle - 06-07-2017
We cannot let a person's character be a determining factor for citizenship here in Hawaii.
Why not? you ask.
Because then the population of Kona would be about 273.
RE: alas, Graham, we hardly knew ye - geochem - 06-07-2017
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Originally posted by snorkle
We cannot let a person's character be a determining factor for citizenship here in Hawaii.
Why not? you ask.
Because then the population of Kona would be about 273.
Personally, I think you are being far too lenient. But then the population of Puna would be three... Of course according to some, I'd likely be on the first boatload out of here...
RE: alas, Graham, we hardly knew ye - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 06-07-2017
according to some, I'd likely be on the first boatload out of here...
Nice, leaving first class.
I don't believe my offers included the boat.
RE: alas, Graham, we hardly knew ye - David M - 06-07-2017
Seems to be rather convenient, albeit somewhat self serving for many to blame this on Trump when in fact these are two local people that I seriously doubt Trump even knows their names, let alone their circumstances. Someone locally is stirring the pot. Who and why??? I suspect the why is to garner the negative on Trump. Sadly, their approach is having severe effects on others. While I suspect they would be quick to say they are just doing their job, I'd suggest they are gleefully going above and beyond for max effect.
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