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RE: DHHL connected "Safety checkpoint", MK access road - PaulW - 03-28-2018
It was a remark which I removed following advice by counsel.
Have you encountered this checkpoint yet, TomK? I've seen things like this in Third World countries,
I didn't think it would happen here.
RE: DHHL connected "Safety checkpoint", MK access road - Mac2017 - 03-28-2018
Forgive my ignorance, but where is the lawful authority to stop and question anyone in this country without cause?
Just drive on by while politely waving. Now when they go one step further and chase someone down on a public road to threaten or intimidate them, I see a problem. That will get out of hand really quick and no one will win.
RE: DHHL connected "Safety checkpoint", MK access road - Guest - 03-28-2018
Intimidation factor of coming back down and passing them a second time.
RE: DHHL connected "Safety checkpoint", MK access road - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 03-28-2018
What would happen if Concerned Residents of HPP decided to take over their private road and set up a checkpoint at the top of Paradise Drive? How long do you think that would last? (It's not really a fair comparison, because HPP residents actually live in HPP, and they own the road, unlike the Beneficiary Trust Council.)
What if, during the Pahoa lava flow a few years back, when the county created emergency roads out of Beach Road and Railroad Road, planning to funnel the traffic through HPP's private roads, what if Concerned Residents had set up a checkpoint, between 6 & 8 AM to count cars, and handed out brochures instilling the need for Aloha Spirit toward HPP residents by commuters as they drove through our subdivision? How long would that have lasted?
If you want to combine the dual pleasures of insanity and social acceptance, religion is your only choice. - Last Aphorisms
RE: DHHL connected "Safety checkpoint", MK access road - kalakoa - 03-28-2018
What would happen if Concerned Residents of HPP decided to take over their private road and set up a checkpoint at the top of Paradise Drive?
Ideally, engineered so as to create the basis for a Federal civil rights lawsuit.
Unfortunately, assumes people want the problems addressed.
RE: DHHL connected "Safety checkpoint", MK access road - TomK - 03-28-2018
"Have you encountered this checkpoint yet, TomK? I've seen things like this in Third World countries,
I didn't think it would happen here."
I've been off island for a couple of weeks (still am), so no, haven't encountered the "checkpoint". If I had, I would have stopped, been polite and then asked them for identification and the reason for them stopping me. Without that, I would have continued my journey immediately, and with that, would have said goodbye, thank you, and then continue my journey.
And it has happened here before - the previous TMT protests.
RE: DHHL connected "Safety checkpoint", MK access road - Guest - 03-28-2018
ask some of your coworkers for us
and please "get back to us"
RE: DHHL connected "Safety checkpoint", MK access road - glinda - 03-30-2018
From today's West Hawaii Today at:
http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/2018/03/30/hawaii-news/tracking-traffic/
The head of the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands said a group that started an “Aloha Safety Checkpoint” on beneficiary lands along the Maunakea Access Road this week did so without permission.
But she wouldn’t say when they will be told to leave.
“I prefer to take it one day at a time at this point,” DHHL Chairwoman Jobie Masagatani said Thursday. “We’re looking at our options. I’m not at liberty to discuss much more than that.”
A group called the Beneficiaries Trust Council started the checkpoint, which includes a small shack called “Hale o Kuhio” next to the road, on Monday’s Prince Kuhio Day. The road goes through DHHL land.
The group isn’t affiliated with DHHL, Masagatani said, but members say they advocate for beneficiaries on the agency’s lengthy homestead waiting list.
The group says it is up there to keep track of traffic on the road used to access Maunakea and Mana Road, which also passes through the department’s lands in the area, as part of resource management. By Wednesday, they were using a “slow” sign instead of a stop sign, and it wasn’t clear if they were still trying to get vehicles to stop at the checkpoint or just counting them as they pass.
There haven’t been reports of them blocking the road or telling people to leave, though some are staying overnight.
“Our dedication of Hale o Kuhio as an Aloha Safety Checkpoint is the first phase of community-led Malama Aina programming by our beneficiaries to maintain a presence and better manage roughly one-third of the total DHHL lands, some of the most important and critical cultural and natural resources in the Hawaiian Islands,” the group said in a press release.
That part of the road is maintained by Hawaii County. Hawaii Police Department Lt. Gregory Esteban said officers have been in contact with the group.
“If a violation is observed a warning will be issued,” he said. Esteban said Wednesday no warnings had been given.
Doug Arnott, who operates tours on Maunakea, said Wednesday the checkpoint hasn’t been an issue for his drivers.
“I just tell my drivers give them a smile and a shaka and slow down for them and say hi,” he said...
More at link above
RE: DHHL connected "Safety checkpoint", MK access road - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 03-30-2018
The group isn’t affiliated with DHHL... Hawaii Police Department Lt. Gregory Esteban said ... no warnings had been given
Beneficiaries Trust Council, one more in a long line of unexpected outbreaks on our islands, initially ignored by authorities either by over looking the problem or failure to oversee their own jurisdiction.
Coqui, fire ants, dengue, rat lungworm, Beneficiaries Trust Council... where will it end?
RE: DHHL connected "Safety checkpoint", MK access road - EightFingers - 03-30-2018
Give ‘em an inch and they’ll take a ......
.....mountain.