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RE: Police - deny looting is ocurring - PaulW - 07-12-2018
I believe they have such laws in Texas and it has led to people being shot while asking for directions or just walking down the street and a de facto death penalty (without right of appeal) for suspected theft and/or trespassing. No thank you, I like Hawaii just as it is.
RE: Police - deny looting is ocurring - Hawaii Bound - 07-12-2018
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Why are the police claiming that looting/thefts are nearly non-existent?
How are people getting in to areas that are supposedly off-limits and patrolled?
I personally know 4 people in Leilani, who have had their homes looted since this began.
I know of almost 20 homes that have been broken into in Leilani. Some have been completely wiped out and others just missing items that they could basically carry on foot.
Regarding how people are getting in. Just because someone lived there and has a placard doesn't mean that they are not a thief. People are still walking in too. I believe the majority of the thefts are by people who either have placards to get in or currently are staying in Leilani.
RE: Police - deny looting is ocurring - Gdhsquare - 07-12-2018
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Originally posted by TomK
You may be talking in general, but the thread is about looting in evacuated areas, so your advice is not helpful. Secondly, whether you agree with them or not, there are laws here that might see you spend the rest of your life in prison if you shoot a house invader. You might feel great about stopping the invasion but at the expensive of your freedom.
The law might suck but that's what we have to live with for now.
As I understand it, Hawaii does have a stand your ground Law of your home to prevent death, serious physical injury, and rape. Home invasion is a violent crime and you have the Constitutional right to protect your property and life. That is one of the reasons why there is the Second Amendment and also why the courts ruled police have no Constitutional obligation to protect others property and life. My post is slightly off topic for it goes outside the scope of evacuations and looting, but I wouldn’t say it is not helpful.
In regards to looting in evacuated areas, there is not much that can be done.
RE: Police - deny looting is ocurring - Rob Tucker - 07-12-2018
I'm not aware of any "stand your ground law" ala Florida, in Hawaii. Please track it down in the statutes and show us. If true it would be worth knowing. If not true it could be a dangerous misinformation.
RE: Police - deny looting is ocurring - Gdhsquare - 07-12-2018
There is no allure in taking someone’s life. The point I’m making is police have no obligation by law to protect your life and/or property. It is up to the individual to protect their property and life. Whether you choose to or not is an individual choice.
And no, you do not know the intentions of a thief. A thief could commit an armed robbery against you, but his intentions were only to rob you. Do you have the right to use deadly force against that thief? How am I suppose to know that this thief’s intentions were to only rob me and not cause physical harm? As far as I’m concerned, he is armed and he can cause physical harm to me. A thief breaks into you home in the middle of the night while you are sleeping. You have young children in your home. How do you know that is a thief breaking into your home only wanting to steal a couple things and not a child rapist? You don’t know and you do not know their intentions. I roll up onto my driveway and a see a thief putting my toolbox into the bed of his pickup truck and he is not armed. Would I be justified in using deadly physical force on him? Of course not unless he takes a tool out of the toolbox and threatens to cause death or serious physical injury. It comes down to common sense when you can and cannot use deadly force.
I agree, the vast majority of thief’s just want to take your stuff without incident, but there could come a time where that thief is accidentally confronted because you just rolled home from the beach or store and thief’s will do what ever they can to avoid going to jail. Hopefully they just run away.
RE: Police - deny looting is ocurring - Rob Tucker - 07-12-2018
Lethal force in defense of one's home in Hawaii has been tested in court. That homeowner is still in prison. Just defending oneself from a homicide charge of any level can mean financial ruin at least. The judgement is made in a tense situation. I know, I've been there. Decide wrong and life as you know it may be over.
RE: Police - deny looting is ocurring - Gdhsquare - 07-12-2018
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Originally posted by Rob Tucker
I'm not aware of any "stand your ground law" ala Florida, in Hawaii. Please track it down in the statutes and show us. If true it would be worth knowing. If not true it could be a dangerous misinformation.
It’s a Castle Law. It’s not stand your own ground. With this Law as I understand it if not on your property you are to attempt to retreat if possible. I believe this Law supports my position.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol14_Ch0701-0853/HRS0703/HRS_0703-0304.HTM
RE: Police - deny looting is ocurring - Rob Tucker - 07-12-2018
Yeah, it's a great theory if you have a couple hundred grand to defend yourself. I'm not suggesting lethal force is never warranted. Hawaii has a very, very low incident rate of home invasions with armed perps. But we used to have basically no problems with armed thieves here until folks from the mainland started importing their guns and having them stolen from their homes.
And Castle Law is not Stand Your Ground.
RE: Police - deny looting is ocurring - Gdhsquare - 07-12-2018
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Originally posted by Rob Tucker
Lethal force in defense of one's home in Hawaii has been tested in court. That homeowner is still in prison. Just defending oneself from a homicide charge of any level can mean financial ruin at least. The judgement is made in a tense situation. I know, I've been there. Decide wrong and life as you know it may be over.
What were the circumstances in that case? Decide wrong, your life also may be literally over.
RE: Police - deny looting is ocurring - Rob Tucker - 07-12-2018
You'll have to look it up yourself. I'm not that interested. I recall the sentencing but not the names at this date.