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RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - Daniel - 04-01-2008
My Father purchased the plans for this system and we are going to try it soon. It looks like it might work, I'm going to try it on a diesel engine and see what happens. I dont think there is any "Black magic" involved, just a more efficent way to split the water. just search "run a car on water" and see what you find.
Daniel R Diamond
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - oink - 05-24-2008
Rob,
What happened with your friend's test? I'm interested. A local station (local to me) just did a story on what sounds like essentially the same system. http://www.wptv.com/content/specialreports/story.aspx?content_id=74b15465-2ebb-49e0-acb1-939c4bb13a28
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - gtill - 05-24-2008
These were a big thing a month or so ago, when this thread started! Here and on Oahu! A few people got them, but are keeping silent!
I talked to a person on Oahu who started distributing them, but had to stop when somthing screwed up, he went out of business, and didn't specify! Except he recommended not going there!
Any further Results!
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - StillHope - 05-24-2008
quote:Homeland Security?
Originally posted by gtill
These were a big thing a month or so ago, when this thread started! Here and on Oahu! A few people got them, but are keeping silent!
I talked to a person on Oahu who started distributing them, but had to stop when somthing screwed up, he went out of business, and didn't specify! Except he recommended not going there!
Any further Results!
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - rbakker - 05-24-2008
Could someone please explain to me in simple terms how this device is supposed to work? (the one originally mentioned by Rob Tucker) Where does the hydrogen come from?
Thanks!
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - Rob Tucker - 05-24-2008
I have a call out to my friend with the fuel system. I hope to report his up to date experience soon.
As for how it works, I am not an expert but this is my understanding:
A container of water (about a quart maybe) is mounted under the hood. The container has electrodes powered by the cars battery and electrical system.
An electrolysis process causes the water (H2O) to separate the hydrogen on a small scale. A tube takes the hydrogen gas from the container and delivers it to the injection system.
An electronic device is added to the computer system of the car to reduce the gasoline delivery in proportion to the hydrogen delivery.
The hydrogen is burned concurrently in the cylinders with gasoline.
Various claims are made about this system. There is reason to be skeptical. There is also a history in automotive engineering of general improvements and advances coming from small scale private efforts rather than big industry or government.
Hopefully I can share a local report later today.
Later today......
I talked to our friend and he has a mixed review. He reports that his small pickup initially got about 5 mpg better milage (18 to 23) and the engine ran well and cool.
Then he says the system stopped functioning well. Lines were getting plugged and the electronics was not perfectly suited to his car.
A few weeks of trying to get this resolved took place with the requisite lack of communications and frustration but the folks providing the system did not quit on him and today showed up and installed new (and improved?) components which hold the promise of better performance. The glass water reservoir has been replaced with a stainless steel one. The hydrogen feed tube is a larger diameter. There are now monitor lights in the cab to show the system is working or is low on water.
So basically the experiment continues. He says he was not expecting to become an experiment but that it may all work out. We'll see.
More later
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - rbakker - 05-25-2008
Thanks for your explanation Rob.
If what you say is the case, then gasoline is being used to separate out hydrogen from water, before burning it again and turning it back into water. This can only consume energy, not provide any.
The only benefit I can see (I know nothing about engines) is that somehow hydrogen makes the gasoline burn more efficiently, but how or why I can't imagine. If anything, producing water inside the engine could be problematic.
Like you, I'm skeptical.
Reports from people (and even news crews) saying they have improved mpg should be taken with a grain of salt. People who have invested hundreds or dollars or are looking for a story are not unbiased, no matter how pure their intentions are.
Thanks for keeping us informed.
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - Guest - 07-20-2008
If installed just so. these devices can improve mileage but not from the hho gas as that would theoretically just replace the horse power draw of the alternator to electrolyze the water.
The actual gains come from the water vapor that is inherent with the system.
For just A few bucks you can rig a water vapor injection system using you cars vacuum.
To really take advantage of a water vapor injection system you need an “efie” chip to get the signal from your o2 sensor to lie to your cars computer. That will lean out your fuel mixture and really save fuel.
Cars will run hot if you run them lean. The fuel actually helps cool the head and cylinders.
The water vapor improves combustion and help cool your heads thus making up for the leaner mix.
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - JayJay - 07-21-2008
How could he not monitor engine temperature? I'm skeptical.
JayJay
RE: Water (hydrogen) as a gasoline substitute? NOT - JWFITZ - 07-21-2008
People need to realize that hydrogen is very bad for an engine. It ruins valves and rings in short order and you'd be ill advised to try it.
I've been delicately trying to say--THIS IS A SCAM!
If you'd like, I can bless your car with magic powers that will give your car 5 mpg better performance, at least while the blessing holds up.
You'll need to drop off 50 bucks for the blessing.
While you're away I will change your oil to a 0w-5 weight oil.
Put a can of octane boost or two in the tank.
Over inflate your tires.
Poof, magic. Lots of tricks out there!