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RE: Maui County Sues Oil Companies For Climate Change - jrw - 11-01-2019
quote:I am sure you walk or ride a bike everywhere you go. I know you dont fly to the main land. That smart phone or computer you use is not made out of plastic
Originally posted by hokuili
Maui County faces..
From the linked article...
If it decides to move forward with the suit, Maui County would join other municipalities and states #8213; including New York #8213; in heading to court to recoup the real and anticipated costs of climate change...
Right on! I am sure this is just the tip of the ol preverbal iceberg. There is no getting away from the fact that the fossil fuel industry has known, and has put that knowledge aside, hidden it, covered it with disinformation, so much so as to create climate change deniers themselves. This is the biggest screw you ever by corporate greed. Way bigger than the tobacco industry that just outright, intentionally, killed people. This is bigger than the opioid crisis. This is so big. To destroy a planet's biosphere for money. To create misery for millions for money. To kill species after species, for money.
Yeah, right on Maui! I kinda wish our own would see the light themselves and join 'em already. But hey, nice to see Maui guys have.
jrw
RE: Maui County Sues Oil Companies For Climate Change - jrw - 11-01-2019
quote:
Originally posted by jrw
quote:I am sure you walk or ride a bike everywhere you go. I know you dont fly to the main land. That smart phone or computer you use is not made out of plastic. If you ride a bike I sure it has tires made out of stone.
Originally posted by hokuili
Maui County faces..
From the linked article...
If it decides to move forward with the suit, Maui County would join other municipalities and states #8213; including New York #8213; in heading to court to recoup the real and anticipated costs of climate change...
Right on! I am sure this is just the tip of the ol preverbal iceberg. There is no getting away from the fact that the fossil fuel industry has known, and has put that knowledge aside, hidden it, covered it with disinformation, so much so as to create climate change deniers themselves. This is the biggest screw you ever by corporate greed. Way bigger than the tobacco industry that just outright, intentionally, killed people. This is bigger than the opioid crisis. This is so big. To destroy a planet's biosphere for money. To create misery for millions for money. To kill species after species, for money.
Yeah, right on Maui! I kinda wish our own would see the light themselves and join 'em already. But hey, nice to see Maui guys have.
jrw
jrw
RE: Maui County Sues Oil Companies For Climate Change - Rob Tucker - 11-01-2019
It would be fine with me if 100% of oil profits from this day on go toward mitigating the mess that fossil fuels have created and are creating. Big Oil is nobody's friend.
RE: Maui County Sues Oil Companies For Climate Change - jrw - 11-01-2019
I am sure they will stay in business if the have to give up 100 percent of their profits. It is are fault as much as their for letting this happen.
We stuck are head in the sand when we could been using hemp for the last 100 years.
jrw
RE: Maui County Sues Oil Companies For Climate Change - terracore - 11-01-2019
quote:
Originally posted by jrw
I am sure they will stay in business if the have to give up 100 percent of their profits. It is are fault as much as their for letting this happen.
We stuck are head in the sand when we could been using hemp for the last 100 years.
jrw
Well you're in luck, the Republicans insisted on legalizing hemp in the 2018 farm bill and the orange guy signed it. When do I get my flying hemp car?
"On May 18, 2018, the $867 billion farm bill failed in the House of Representatives with a vote of 198 yea to 213 nay. All Democrats and 30 Republicans voted against the measure...U.S. (word "Republican" omitted by Wiki) Senator Mitch McConnell was such a proponent of the hemp provision that American Military News reported that McConnell coined the hashtag #HempFarmBill...In late November, a compromise had been reached, removing SNAP work requirements, and the legislation was voted on and passed by the end of the year. The 2018 Farm Bill establishes a new federal hemp regulatory system under the US Department of Agriculture which aims to facilitate the commercial cultivation, processing, and marketing of hemp. [17] The 2018 Farm Bill removes hemp and hemp seeds from the statutory definition of marijuana and the DEA schedule of Controlled Substances. It even makes hemp an eligible crop under the federal crop insurance program. The 2018 Farm Bill also allows the transfer of hemp and hemp-derived products across state lines provided the hemp was lawfully produced under a State or Indian Tribal plan or under a license issued under the USDA plan. [18]
Additional revenue to farmers and processors is expected from textiles and other hemp products.[14] The Dog and Cat Meat Trade Prohibition Act of 2018 was passed as part of the bill."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_farm_bill
Maybe want to also look at the bill that made hemp illegal:
Introduced in the House as H.R. 6906 by Robert L. Doughton (D–NC) on May 11, 1937
Committee consideration by House Ways and Means Committee, Senate Committee on Finance
Signed into law by (D) President Franklin D. Roosevelt on August 2, 1937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937
"The La Guardia Committee Report
The only authoritative voice that opposed (D) Anslinger's campaign against cannabis was that of ® New York Mayor, Fiorello La Guardia, who appointed in 1938 a commission of investigation, and in 1944 strongly objected to Anslinger's campaign with the La Guardia Committee.[30]
RE: Maui County Sues Oil Companies For Climate Change - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 11-02-2019
Burning fossil fuels and the resultant climate change wasn’t caused by one person. It could not have been stopped by a single act. As Obie pointed out, every one of us is responsible. Every unnecessary trip to the store for “a couple of things?” It burned extra gas.
Now we’re all paying for it with hotter temperatures and stronger storms. Just as with cigarettes, there is certainly personal responsibility by those who chose to smoke. But eventually the tobacco companies were made to pay for their part in the deception for knowingly selling a product that addicted their customers and then sickened them with cancer and heart disease.
The fossil fuel industry had studies which showed what would happen, they knew this decades ago. They should pay for their part in the wreckage of their unmitigated profit taking, just like the cigarette manufacturers.
RE: Maui County Sues Oil Companies For Climate Change - kalakoa - 11-02-2019
every one of us is responsible
Disagree. Fossil fuels (among other things) get a "free ride" on their unrecaptured externalities. If they were priced to match the costs of their actual impact, society (as in, "every one of us") would have evolved differently.
The fossil fuel industry had studies which showed what would happen, they knew this decades ago.
Irrelevant -- they had already figured out that they wouldn't have to pay for it, so it simply wasn't important.
RE: Maui County Sues Oil Companies For Climate Change - jrw - 11-02-2019
quote:Could you please link me one of the studys
Originally posted by kalakoa
every one of us is responsible
Disagree. Fossil fuels (among other things) get a "free ride" on their unrecaptured externalities. If they were priced to match the costs of their actual impact, society (as in, "every one of us") would have evolved differently.
The fossil fuel industry had studies which showed what would happen, they knew this decades ago.
Irrelevant -- they had already figured out that they wouldn't have to pay for it, so it simply wasn't important.
jrw
RE: Maui County Sues Oil Companies For Climate Change - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 11-02-2019
This article is from four years ago. Think of all the times you’ve heard over the last four years (and longer), “we just don’t know yet, there’s no proof...”
From the Scientific American
Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago
A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
RE: Maui County Sues Oil Companies For Climate Change - terracore - 11-02-2019
quote:
Originally posted by Rob Tucker
It would be fine with me if 100% of oil profits from this day on go toward mitigating the mess that fossil fuels have created and are creating. Big Oil is nobody's friend.
Are you talking about corporate or government profits? Oil companies profit about 7 cents on a gallon of gas. Fuel tax in Hawaii is 68 cents for gasoline and 75 cents for diesel per gallon.