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RE: Trail cams for security - Durian Fiend - 04-26-2025
(04-26-2025, 08:52 PM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: Sounds like the cams will be futile,
I think they’re effective as a deterrent to the less desperate, less persistent thieves. I now have signs, motion lights over the signs, and cameras. Chains across the driveway. But get bigger links than you think is necessary, mine have crimps from a bolt cutters someone used, unsuccessfully. Since I went the extra mile I haven’t had anyone enter the yard, not sure if it’s the hardware, or if the thieves just moved on to uncharted territory.
The following is from a FB post today on Hawaii Tropical Fruit Growers page:
Senator Tim Richards
"Figured you’d appreciate some good news coming out of the Capitol today!
Today, I Honor Cranston "Duke" Pia with Action, Not Just Words.
I Pushed This Bill for Cranston. For His Family. For Hawai‘i’s Ag Community.
Fifteen months ago, rancher Cranston "Duke" Pia was tragically taken from us—murdered while protecting his land and livelihood. His death shook our community and exposed the urgent need to better defend those who work Hawai‘i’s lands.
When Cranston’s mother, Suzanne, came to my office asking for help, I knew something had to change. I made it my mission to turn that tragedy into action.
That’s why I authored, introduced, and pushed SB1249—now known as The Cranston “Duke” Pia Bill—through every step of the legislative process.
Today, we did it. The bill passed out of conference.
This legislation delivers what our ag community has long needed: 1. Tougher penalties for trespassing, theft, vandalism, and poaching on agricultural lands
2. Seizure of equipment used in committing these crimes
3. $1.4 million to launch a dedicated law enforcement pilot program with investigators and advanced tools to protect Hawai‘i’s farmers and ranchers"
RE: Trail cams for security - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-27-2025
Here's an example of how thieves cover themselves so it's difficult to identify them. Even with multiple cameras and camera angles there's nothing to go on.
Armed robbery in Pukalani Maui:
https://mauinow.com/2025/04/26/maui-police-release-video-seek-help-to-identify-suspects-involved-in-armed-robberies/
RE: Trail cams for security - terracore - 04-27-2025
(04-26-2025, 08:52 PM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: Sounds like the cams will be futile,
I think they’re effective as a deterrent to the less desperate, less persistent thieves. I now have signs, motion lights over the signs, and cameras. Chains across the driveway. But get bigger links than you think is necessary, mine have crimps from a bolt cutters someone used, unsuccessfully. Since I went the extra mile I haven’t had anyone enter the yard, not sure if it’s the hardware, or if the thieves just moved on to uncharted territory.
Although not suited for a lot of people and properties for a lot of reasons, the best deterrent is dogs. Not because thieves are necessarily afraid of getting bit (though many are), it's because dogs make a lot of NOISE. In quiet conditions with the right terrain, a dog can hear somebody coming from 1/4 to 1/2 mile away. They can also navigate well in almost complete darkness. Thieves are like roaches. They don't like to be exposed. They don't like good lighting, and they don't like dogs giving their position away. In some cultures, black and tan dogs are considered to be especially fear-invoking, especially if they have erect ears. But any ankle biter with a Napoleon complex will chase away somebody who's plans included some amount of stealth.
As far as locks go, hardened U-locks (also called D locks, they are used for securing bicycles) are good for gates if you can find one big enough. They are too large for bolt cutters and the locks are difficult to pick. They can be cut off with power tools, but power tools make noise and attract attention. They take some shopping around to find good ones because the trash they sell at Walmart etc look tough but have cheap plastic mechanisms inside. When we had property up near Volcano thieves got through the neighbor's gate by ramming a vehicle (probably stolen) into it which pulled the posts out of the ground because they couldn't cut the bike lock off. They cut right through the lock on our gate no problem but you know what.... we didn't have to replace a gate and gate post like the neighbors did. In most cases it's not prudent to let the cost of security exceed the value of what's inside unless it's your castle.
RE: Trail cams for security - leilanidude - 04-28-2025
Armed robbery in Pukalani Maui
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Some serious weapons used in that
RE: Trail cams for security - MarkD - 04-28-2025
PBS TV station last night, Channel 10, announced they will run a program on Ag. Theft in Hawaii on Thursday, May 1 at 7:30. Should be interesting viewing. Hopefully there will be reporting that more of these dirtbag thieves are being caught and sent to prison.
RE: Trail cams for security - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 05-02-2025
Thought I’d give this a reminder bump, for the PBS show MarkD posted above.
RE: Trail cams for security - ironyak - 05-02-2025
Ag Crime: The Unreported Threat | INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI
https://www.pbshawaii.org/ag-crime/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkEphXYW3cM
RE: Trail cams for security - MarkD - 05-02-2025
I forgot the 7:30 program but was happy to immediately find it online, PBS website. Important program. A recurring theme about crime, including theft, from progressive activists is that the offenders are typically impoverished, marginalized people who may have drug issues and few work options. They have little choice but to steal, it is claimed.
Ag theft, for the most part, is different: The thieves are overwhelmingly strong, working age men who use a lot of vigor to steal: They hike long distances through farm terrain, sometimes dense brush, sometimes in the dark, to their theft sites. They carry multiple 30-50 pound bags of stolen Ag products over those same distances to vehicles they have hidden, or to sites where co-conspirators will pick them up. They are physically capable of working at manual labor. They'd rather steal.
April 26 article on "Duke's Law" on Ag. theft: https://www.yahoo.com/news/duke-law-one-step-closer-040210015.html