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RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Jon - 11-20-2008
I just looked at Fort Worth PD recruitment and they start out at $46,051 annually. But they don't pay for health insurance so take off 6 to 12k a year.
Dallas starts off at $41,690 they have an insurance plan, but you still have to pay for it.
Weatherford Texas starts at 38k and it looks like they pay part of your insurance but not all.
Puna might not be so far off on pay... the small town of Cisco Texas is looking for 3 new officers and the starting pay is $21,000.
Note... the Cisco numbers may or may not be right, the city website may not have been updated in 2 years.
Transplanted Texan
"I am here to chew bubble gum and kick some *** ... and I'm all out of bubble gum"
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Guest - 11-20-2008
There is a problem with the whole concept of salaries and compensation.
Here is an example:
You have two Men.
Man 1, is a very frugal and well bred Amish type. He eschews frivolity and tends to save his money and does without all the modern conveniences. He marries a like minded women that does not have false pride. She shuns the “newest styles” and sews clothes for her family. She darns socks and makes all meals from scratch. She never pays for day care because she knows that it is her very own responsibility to guard and raise her children. Her husband would never even dream of paying someone to mow their yard. He isn’t college educated but he endeavors to learn al the things a real man should know. These things include everything from car repair , hunting, butchery, roofing ac/heat. Welding, etal.
They do not make a lot of money but because they scrimp & save and do not while away their time watching TV or surfing the net, or buying cars, 42” plasmas, 27” rims, they end up owning their own home and raise well adjusted children that know how to put a chicken on the table from ringing it’s neck to frying it.
He earns 36K
Man 2, Now this guy is your typical man of today. He would never hear of saving to pay cash for a used car, he’ll borrow from a lender to buy a new one. It is important to his image, you know. Why learn how to change the cv joints in a cars when it is always under warranty. He marries a woman that has more shoes than she has panties. It is paramount that she strikes a certain image. She would never dream of staying home and cooking for her family, she is above darning socks. They both work and have advanced degrees.
They earn together 350K per year.
On the day they reach 65, it is not only conceivable but most typical that Man A will own his own home and maybe a few rental properties that he manages.
Man B will have nothing but heart ache, because he has nothing to show for his life but maybe a wife addicted to prescription pills and two or three kids in rehab.
It isn’t how much you earn, but how much you save and earnestly work in the right direction.
I wish y’all would read this
http://www.bfranklin.edu/johnhibbs/WayToWealth.pdf
written by Benjamin Frankiln.
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - dlnragent - 11-20-2008
You folks are a bit off on the pay scales for HPD. This is from their website:
Benefits
The starting salary for Police Officer I is $3,585 a month, or $43,020 a year. After 18 months, the salary will increase to $3,727 a month, or $44,724 per year. Officers also receive night differential pay and time and a half for holiday work and overtime.
Fringe benefits include:
Holidays — 13 paid days a year, plus all election days except the primary election.
Vacation — 21 working days a year. The unused portion may be accumulated up to 90 days.
Sick leave — 21 working days a year. The unused portion may also be accumulated towards retirement.
Military leave — full pay for up to 15 working days a year for active duty or annual training.
Funeral leave — three working days with pay for death of qualified family member.
Accidental injury leave — upon choice of plan, full pay up to 120 working days for each work-related injury.
Health insurance — self or family medical, drug, vision and adult dental insurance partly subsidized by the County of Hawaii.
Life insurance — fully subsidized group life insurance for $26,000. Coverage varies with the age of the employee.
Uniforms and equipment — furnished by the Hawaii County Police Department.
Automobile subsidy — monthly allowance for private automobiles in police use, plus fuel and oil and tax-exempt motor vehicle registration if position requires the use of a vehicle.
Retirement — eligible for retirement with 25 years of service.
That comes out to around $21.00 per hour as a new recruit. Not too bad for a trainee, and as much as I earned as a 10 year State DLNR Police Officer. Also remember that these guys can work just about all of the O/T they want.
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Jon - 11-20-2008
Hmmm I might need to go talk the them...
Transplanted Texan
"I am here to chew bubble gum and kick some *** ... and I'm all out of bubble gum"
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Guest - 11-20-2008
Geez -
I don't know where that $28,000 figure came from [B)] But guess I didn't look correctly.[V][B)][
]I did just notice this:
Area I is the East side of Hawai'i it includes investigative and patrol operations. Its districts include Hamakua, North Hilo, South Hilo, and Puna. A total of 1,685 square miles
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RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Guest - 11-21-2008
You couldn't pay me to be a cop, because the only things I hate worse than criminals are political correctness and red tape.
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - amf217 - 11-21-2008
quote:
Originally posted by dlnragent
You folks are a bit off on the pay scales for HPD. This is from their website:
Benefits
The starting salary for Police Officer I is $3,585 a month, or $43,020 a year. After 18 months, the salary will increase to $3,727 a month, or $44,724 per year. Officers also receive night differential pay and time and a half for holiday work and overtime.
Fringe benefits include:
Holidays — 13 paid days a year, plus all election days except the primary election.
Vacation — 21 working days a year. The unused portion may be accumulated up to 90 days.
Sick leave — 21 working days a year. The unused portion may also be accumulated towards retirement.
Military leave — full pay for up to 15 working days a year for active duty or annual training.
Funeral leave — three working days with pay for death of qualified family member.
Accidental injury leave — upon choice of plan, full pay up to 120 working days for each work-related injury.
Health insurance — self or family medical, drug, vision and adult dental insurance partly subsidized by the County of Hawaii.
Life insurance — fully subsidized group life insurance for $26,000. Coverage varies with the age of the employee.
Uniforms and equipment — furnished by the Hawaii County Police Department.
Automobile subsidy — monthly allowance for private automobiles in police use, plus fuel and oil and tax-exempt motor vehicle registration if position requires the use of a vehicle.
Retirement — eligible for retirement with 25 years of service.
That comes out to around $21.00 per hour as a new recruit. Not too bad for a trainee, and as much as I earned as a 10 year State DLNR Police Officer. Also remember that these guys can work just about all of the O/T they want.
That's more like it! Thanks for the update.
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Bob Orts - 11-21-2008
So, how do we improve the safety and security of Puna?
My personal initial solution is a targeted tax increase. But not a wholesale tax increase, but a target fund increase. The people of Puna would petition the county for a (discussion purposes) 1% property tax increase that would be placed in a Puna District Safe Streets Fund. The Fund would provide financial resources to the Hawaii County Police to reimburse them for cost of providing additional services (approved by a citizen board) above the historical and preplanned projected services to the District.
So the Police will notify the Fund Board that they would like to conduct targeted operations for the arrest of those engaged in property crimes. They estimate that the cost to conduct a dedicated operation in Puna would be X dollars. The Board votes to authorize the funds as a grant to the PD for that specific purpose. The PD would be required like all reimbursable grants to document the operation and show a positive result for the reimbursement.
I know this is controversial, but it is done in many areas and is successful. The main issue is the people need to basically put their money where their mouth is.
Comments, thoughts, opinions?
RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - Rob Tucker - 11-21-2008
This is creative thinking. Thank you Bob.
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RE: Can We Be The Safest Community in Wherever? - gtill - 11-21-2008
The biggest fatality rate is on our roads. And traffic eats patrol time for real police work.. Plus the negative interaction between officers and public(who do no evil).
Simply mechanize the roads with hidden cameras(van cam type). It worked so well on Oahu they banned it because high up people were getting hit with tickets. Plus at all intersections and stop lights. Move them constantly and intersperse decoys. With wireless tech, this should work well here, as it isn't the roads that are dangerous it's the drivers!
And authorize police to use their blue lights as they see fit, hard to stake out a region with a christmas tree on your roof. Plus better electronic surveilance (cameras for the patrol cars.