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RE: Solar on EVERY house? - Jon - 01-10-2009
I am not sure what your power usage is, ours is 13 Kwh a day, to power our house we would need 13 or so solar panels, not 1.
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Originally posted by Liz
$150/month for 20 years seems like a good deal until you look closer at the numbers: 150x12=1800; 1800x20=36,000
$36,000 for a solar panel?!? Yikes!
aloha, Liz
"The best things in life aren't things."
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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
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RE: Solar on EVERY house? - mella l - 01-10-2009
Just because something has occurred elsewhere, doesn't mean it will be legal in HI.
mella l
RE: Solar on EVERY house? - Bob Orts - 01-10-2009
Glen, the issue actually has little to do with solar, it centers around the taxing authority or government, the legality of private loans payment through official government taxes, and "Special Assessment Districts". This program is private loans, on disconnected private properties, to benefit individual property owners, secured by repayment trough transferable property taxes, and the taxman is acting as the loan collector. Questionable at best. The potential for future abuse if allowed to stand is enormous. Hawaii has less of a problem as they foresaw the potential Pandora’s box and government can't collect private incurred individual debts through taxation. I'm sure you can understand why Hawaii included this protection in its laws.[
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RE: Solar on EVERY house? - David M - 01-10-2009
"I am not sure what your power usage is, ours is 13 Kwh a day, to power our house we would need 13 or so solar panels, not 1."
For the 31 days in Dec, I generated an average of 13.4 kw per day - I have 36 panels, 4.5 kw worth.
David
Ninole Resident
RE: Solar on EVERY house? - Guest - 01-10-2009
This is exactly the kind of draconian crap that incenses me!
When was it in the course of human events that it was declared that the group/government has the right to dictate that people take hot showers even have electricity.
Often this meddling appears to be born of good intent but the overall and long term ramifications is dictatorship.
How about that doofus politician do some thing that is within his purview!
RE: Solar on EVERY house? - lquade - 01-11-2009
EXACTLY esnap!! but according to glen you must belong to the pacific legal foundation if you dont agree with him[
]i read in the star bulletin that they were thinking it could add up to 20K in cost to a new home. i dont oppose solar, in fact, we have used solar for over 30 years in different applications. i oppose forcing people to do this. not all homes will benefit for example those in the forest under tree cover. or people that are very small users of helco, will never get their money back. i also think as a home builder you should be able to do your own plumbing/electric/solar and let the building inspector pass or fail you. you can get shoddy work from someone licensed just as easily as a talented homeowner....
RE: Solar on EVERY house? - Kelena - 01-11-2009
Just a few points:
1. San Diego's program has not been subject to a legal challenge as of yet. It was just announced. Of course. a successful legal challenge elsewhere won't bode well.
2. Thanks, Bob. I don't think a challenge will be successful. I appreciate that it't the taxing authority at issue, and the area is complex, but I think this would be compared to a special assessment district or "Mello-Roos" area, where people who buy homes voluntarily assume additional taxes for specific improvements in that area. The only difference is the geographical area would be virtual -- that is, the people that jointly seek this benefit may not live in the same neighborhood. This is a very technical, specialized area, though, and I am not familiar with it. There is an argument that this is an illegal "pass through" -- the government is not receiving any revenue at all. It is more akin to me passing on the cost of housecleaning to my guests at a vacation rental. Cleaner hands me the bill and I hand it to the guest. So, I see the point.
3. Nonetheless, even if there were a technical argument in favor of striking down this program, I would be suspicious of the motives of anyone raising it. They are not raising to maintain the purity of the law, but to discourage alternative energy.
4. I am not quite getting the "mandatory" aspect of the proposed Hawaii law (in fact, I haven't seen that law). I wasn't able to see the video, so I am not quite sure what is proposed here, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that solar power will become "mandatory" in Hawaii. Is he talking about solar for all new construction?
5. The San Diego program does not pay for just one panel -- it is designed for a full installation of solar on a house, to cover most or all needs.
6. As a sidepoint, the risk of dictatorship is much higher when you remove government from the picture and allow for dictatorship by private international corporation and their chosen --and sometimes unwitting-- puppets. That's the greater danger.
RE: Solar on EVERY house? - Jon - 01-11-2009
"dictatorship by private international corporation"? help me here...
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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
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RE: Solar on EVERY house? - pslamont - 01-12-2009
I haven't given it a lot of thought but it seems we all need to look into net metering.....
RE: Solar on EVERY house? - Carey - 01-12-2009
The link I posted earlier is much like what some are requesting..... locked in rates, no investment (but you also get no ownership) on the panels....
http://www.hawaiisolarpower.com
Island Naturals, Pahoa hooked up with SunEdison when they built, & had great things to say about it then... haven't heard anything recently.... does anyone else know???
Hawaii does offer net metering, but not to the same degree as Illinois (there, grid tied, you could get $$ from the power co if you produced more than you used, here you can only only break even + utility charge....