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RE: Owning guns in Hawaii - JWFITZ - 04-20-2009
Absolutely, and for a singular reason. Range.
My dad, a gun owner and an undertaker has always been pretty strident on his opposition to handgun rounds and especially of the "full metal jacket" variety because of their tendency to penetrate walls and such, and end up where they aren't supposed to. This would be hard to defend as responsible in a neighborhood situation. A shotgun especially with light shot won't get far at all, and that not only responsible but also legally defensible. They make special shot which is flat plates that won't even go 40 feet, which is sensible if you care about both protecting yourself and your neighbors from potential harm.
The curious note from the same background.. The the most dangerous caliber? The .22
RE: Owning guns in Hawaii - Jon - 04-20-2009
Owning a firearm and not knowing what it will do or when to use it is not a good thing. If you get one, go shoot it, regularly.
A shotgun is a great home defense weapon... but if you pull in on someone, kill them... and be prepared mentally to deal with it. If you don't know if you need to kill someone, don't pull it... waiving it around or shooting in the are will just get you in trouble, or worse.
Personally I prefer a 45 for a house gun, it will go through walls so I don't have to chase them through the house to shoot them.
Also, make sure everyone knows you have a gun and are willing to use it... All your neighbors need to know... Most neighborhood crime comes from the neighborhood and if they know you can and will protect yourself, they will go after a safer target.
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Originally posted by Greg
Question?
Is a shotgun considered the best weapon for home defense, if you only intend to own one firearm?
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RE: Owning guns in Hawaii - centipede - 04-20-2009
I'd go with a double barrel because if you are ever going to have to use it, you're going to be scared. All you would have to do is release the safety and squeeze the trigger. If needed, you can get the other shot off in less than a second, and reloading takes just a few seconds more. Go for a short barrel (18 inches is legal the last time I checked) because it's easier to swing without hitting a chair or bedpost or something, and since you would most likely be shooting indoors, you won't have to worry about distance. Get your shotgun in cylinder bore, if you can, because you'll get one heck of a pattern. I'd go with Buckshot, not slugs or any of the "fancy" rounds that are loaded with little darts, etc. There are 3 "popular" Buck rounds, and I like #4 Buck because it has more pellets, albeit they are smallar in size than the others, but dead is dead, injured is injured, and more pellets means more chances for more body strikes. However, the merits of using #4 vs. 0 or 00 is arguable, and I'll leave it to the pros for additional input. Since you're going through the expense, you may as well get a box of bird shot for other pesky critters; if you are so inclined.
We have an inalienable right to defend ourselves and if we ever shoot at a human being, we must be fully prepared to justify our actions. If not, the government is going to go nuts.
RE: Owning guns in Hawaii - JWFITZ - 04-20-2009
I disagree.
You'll miss. It may surprise you but the pattern of a shotgun with a choke in a hallway in your home is only about 4 inches, if that. People expect the big hollywood blast, where all you have to do is just point in a general direction and cut loose. It isn't true. Having shot doubles for years in Idaho you'd be surprised to know the barrels don't point in the direction the sight does. There's parallax built into the barrels and they're not for the novice shooter.
Get a quality autoloader and learn to shoot it. One that can shoot 3 inch mags and learn to feed as fast as you can shoot. Which, of course, all duck hunters can. Shoot steel BB shot. It will take you at least 10 boxes of shells to get both familiar and capable with the tool.
It's important to look at these tools in the same way one might a radial arm saw. Without hyperbole, or anything else. It's a tools for a job, and a tool hopefully one never uses. Right?
RE: Owning guns in Hawaii - Jon - 04-20-2009
LOL... the racking of a pump shotgun will usually make any intruder run...
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RE: Owning guns in Hawaii - JWFITZ - 04-20-2009
Or shoot.
"Racking" a shotgun is "brandishing a weapon" and you can do jail time for that alone.
You have a right to shoot, or not. You have rights to defend yourself, or not. However, You don't have rights to posture or make threats.
There's two battles here to fight. Important to remember that.
RE: Owning guns in Hawaii - Jon - 04-20-2009
True... but if they run out of the house I am not going to chase them down...
and if the police want to press charges about brandishing a weapon in my own home... well... let just say the county might buy me a bigger home after its done... [
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America "IS" everybody else.
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RE: Owning guns in Hawaii - JWFITZ - 04-20-2009
good luck
RE: Owning guns in Hawaii - PaulW - 04-20-2009
"Let me start by saying I realize the "G" word can be very incendiary and incite all kinds of debate about personal safety, constitutional rights, etc. That is not the intent of me starting this topic. I'm simply looking for information and advice. If somebody wants to debate the topic of gun ownership, whether you are for or against it, please start a new topic."
RE: Owning guns in Hawaii - JWFITZ - 04-20-2009
It's very important to keep it a practical issue.
There is no debate about the topic of gun ownership. That again was confirmed by the Supreme Court last summer. There is, however a debate about responsible gun usage and ownership, and it is a constructive one. At least hopefully. If the posturing and BS can be kept to a minimum. We should debate the "how", but not the "if."
As well it's an ignorant one. Firearms are a very effective tool at a certain range. That would be outside of 10 feet or so to perhaps 50 feet. Outside or inside, they're much much less so. The Hollywood glitz gets them a power idea that's really unfounded, and it would be worth for people to discover. 50 feet is too far away to hit anybody reliably, and 10 feet is too close. To deal with all this sensibly takes a larger view and philosophy that, well, is lacking.
Sure, get a shotgun.