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RE: Scary Puna Cops - 808blogger - 12-18-2009
I'm sure its extra comforting that the cop killing you with his gun has good credit.
Police = ZERO obligation to help you , and they can shoot and kill you based on their own legal opinions.
RE: Scary Puna Cops - Del Pranke - 12-18-2009
It's more comforting to know that you are more likely to die from getting hit on the head with a coconut.
RE: Scary Puna Cops - Greg - 12-18-2009
Police, like military, perform on a level directly proportionate to their training and equipment. To state that all members of a group are somehow evil is biased and unfair.
There probably are some evil cops, just as there are probably some evil schoolteachers, but none of the officers I know fall under that catagory.
The guy in the Kehena incident was violent, out of control, and pulled and fired a concealed weapon when he was shot. The police have a responsibility to protect citizens and neighbors; and a right to protect themselves in a situation such as this. They are also held accountable for their actions.
Good job SRT, the headlines could have easily been: "Child in Kehena dies from random gunfire".
Stoneface
RE: Scary Puna Cops - Bob Orts - 12-18-2009
quote:First, Correctional laws allows officials to use deadly force during an escape. That’s the rule in just about every place of the US. Second, the person was a felon with as many as eight criminal charges including violence. Does not sound like "petty" anything to me.
Originally posted by Green
Case in point about 2 yrs ago; petty thief/criminal makes a break from county jail van in downtown Hilo. Result; shot in the back of the head dead. Does the punishment fit the crime ? About a 34 yr old young guy and father shot dead by a corrections officer. I think he would have been picked again with APB put out on him. I'm not for more cops in Puna I'm a whole different way of using the cops we have.
One more example; Rohnert Park, California, wife calls police because husband is in driveway, very drunk and waving stick around and yelling, cops show up and shoot him dead, wow i guess he learned his lesson. I know the wife did, she was very distraught and stated she regretted calling the police, no drunk tank for her husband nope it's the morgue.
I can only think carefully about what you wish for !
Now, let’s add the next part which Did Not Occur. Had the escape convict not been stopped, and succeeded in the escape, and he killed or raped, or committed some other horrible violent crime on an innocent person during the time he was freed, I bet you a million dollars the public would have been calling for the heads of that correction officer for NOT shooting the escapee. The public would have crucified every official connected in anyway to any policy to NOT kill the escaping felon. And, everyone would have been saying that the corrections officer lets "locals" get away with murder. Now, tell me I'm wrong!
On the non-Hawaii/Puna example - Rohnert Park officer feared for his life when (based on independent eye witnesses) the drunk victim (who already had a prior run in that night at a bar with other police officers) lunged at a police officer who just exited his vehicle, with a pole "level" with the ground, in a "jousting" thrust. According to those non-family witnesses, the officer had mere seconds to realize the danger and react. That according to those independent eye witnesses, the victim had refused all orders to drop the weapon from another police officer and the victim was the one who initiated the contact between himself and the second officer who just pulled up to the scene.
RE: Scary Puna Cops - Green - 12-19-2009
I have lived in communities with a large police force stopping just about anyone and checking their ID, example Rohnert Park. Like i said be careful for what you wish for. If you want a community with more cops with 9mm's roaming around checking everyone out you may be in for a rude awakening as to what safety means.
Yes the guy in Rohnert Park was drunk, everyone one i talked to believes it was handled very poorly, but then how often are police held responsible for their actions, i believe here as well as most of the country they are investigated by their supervisors, piers,it's a well know fact that many police police will lie on the witness stand and evidence dissapears.
beingdrunk in public may be a crime punishable by death, i guess it's no longer a night in the drunk tank and your day in court, in some communities
RE: Scary Puna Cops - Sean - 12-19-2009
Green,
Are you trolling or just creating statements that are only partially true without realizing it? No one wants "9mm's roaming around checking everyone out" and I don't think anyone stated that.
Also, being drunk in public is not the issue, it's what you do while drunk in public. I've been drunk in public all over the world courtesy of Uncle Sam, but you know, I never had a problem anywhere, except waking up on the bathroom floor in the hotel -once and that's pretty minor compared to "a crime punishable by death." If you want to get a point across a rather have a rational, if slightly funny comment (see some of Glen's comments) would work better rather than some statement that if you disagree with you must be a nut.
Cheers,
Sean
Please think
RE: Scary Puna Cops - LeeE - 12-19-2009
Piers?
RE: Scary Puna Cops - 808blogger - 12-20-2009
No court or trial just shoot. The only shootsbecause that is what he is told. He does not think. Police only protect themselves. Police cannot legaly protect, this is a lie that you were taught in civics class. If the police had a legal duty to "protect you" it would create massive legal issues for them think about it.? The only shoot to kill and potrect themselves. More police == more crime
RE: Scary Puna Cops - leilaniguy - 12-20-2009
So in your world: no police = no crime?
RE: Scary Puna Cops - StillHope - 12-20-2009
No police-no crime
No crime- no punishment
No punishment-no suffering
No suffering- paradise.
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