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RE: Realtors/Real Estate Agents in online forums - Bullwinkle - 11-04-2009
I like facts, at least we can have a proper discussion with the issues clarified...
Now Ill ask you ... does it rain more or more of it when it does rain?
In most places they keep track of how many days the sun is out - rather than rain fall totals to make these kinds of judgements.
maybe another topic? see you there
RE: Realtors/Real Estate Agents in online forums - konadave - 11-04-2009
Bullwinkle,
I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say here? I am asking because I truly do not understand. What I question is this. The emoticon is the smiley face that John used. It is used to show emotion or in other words, letting everyone know it was a joke. This cannot be taken any other way as it is an accepted form of communication on the Internet. Here is a link to the wikipedia definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon
It makes no difference how it can be interpreted in other societies because this is a forum on the Internet and that is the accepted form of communicating a joke here. This is where it was posted and this is how it should be taken. Clearly John was only joking and his statement was meant that way and should not be taken any other way than which he meant it. Even if you disagree, once he explained it was only a joke you should accept it as such.
So my question is why is John not allowed to joke around here in that manner? Everyone else is allowed to do so, why are you only holding John to a higher level than everyone else? His statement cannot be interpreted any other way than a joke because even if it was misinterpreted in the beginning he communicated otherwise. A joke, even an offensive one is still only a joke and should be treated as such. So why are you trying to hold a joke up to a professional level? I just don't get it. Are you offended by his joke? Is that it?
BTW, I live in Fern Acres and I know John pretty well. This feels more like a personal attack on John and an attempt to get him to apologize for his joke than a logical discussion of different opinions. So please explain so I can understand what you are trying to get across here.
Thanks!
Dave
The Kona Forum
http://www.konaforum.com
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RE: Realtors/Real Estate Agents in online forums - Bullwinkle - 11-04-2009
Those with superior knowledge are required to have a superior regard for the truth. Common law tenant, and I believe the foundation for most professional organizations
If agent as a private individual ... makes a subjective statement - not wise, but that is free speech - have at it boy Ive made a few -
If an agent adds his real estate "degrees" and phone number below the statement .... He or she needs to do due diligence before making that statement as the agent is now acting in a professional capacity and "owns" the comment. Does your doctor joke about your neighbors chart with you?
In this case I believe he was soliciting (or trying to steal) a client (mashing a newbie) in his way being funny to get her attention and leaving the "catchy" post so he could flash his contact info.... (a pattern me thinks)
The reply - criminal rain- was made to a question about crime, i posted the fern ares web addy for that info, John jumped in. I think, unthinkingly, denigrating a neighborhood out of habit using a cheap shot to gain attention.
I called him on it - he couldn't let it go or see my point - rather he wants to fight and is still confused between ethics and liability, personal and professional.
Kind of sad really, like watching a train-wreck I thought with all his acronyms he was well studied experienced and would be a good representative to discus - debate the issue, rather what we got was anger and lashing out.
Im still getting angry confusing notes in my mailbox from him inviting me to sue... my issue here is ethics not liability, nor am I interested in a suit. All I want is agents to be careful about slamming areas where folks have invested their life's savings and heart. Whether it be acres, hpp or anyplace else. Do we dis where our friends live even if its a dump I think not, Do I (try - not always successful) bite my tongue about the places I think have issues - you bet - even as just a poster... respect is the concept here.
Its really easy ... park the subjective opinions and hand over the facts or disclaim the fact you don't know. That is an agents job.
As a licensed professional I wouldn't call the ethics board a country club either - just more bashing .. it just a very sad deal all around. I feel sorry for him, his clients and the poor folks subjected to all this rhetoric
His last note to me shares that he is done with the post, for me to take my pills and sue him
Lets hope this is the last post -
and no Im not part of the industry or do i know any of the agents following this thread personally, Cynthia by reputation only, it is very good and far and wide, even her competitors praise her. -
But if I were in Puna real estate Id pay attention, this topic having gained "legs" in the industry me thinks.
If Johns done, Im done, Cynthia is done? and Rob agrees I would lock this topic, I also think for Johns sake a consideration by the others of deleting this thread and the other thread would be a kindness to John and has my support
Aloha
edit= forgot some commas
RE: Realtors/Real Estate Agents in online forums - juker - 11-04-2009
John S. Rabi
ABR,CM,CRB,FHS,PB,R
http://www.JohnRabi.com
Typically Tropical Properties
808.327.3185
I am new to this site and saw the comments about Realtors and real estate agents. I know John Rabi is NOT a Realtor, which is a protected trademark, yet he uses that in his signature line, along with CRB, and ABR, which are also protected trademarks by NAR. So this is not only very deceptive, but is not truthful.
RE: Realtors/Real Estate Agents in online forums - asly - 11-04-2009
I think this particular discussion thread needs to just go way...
RE: Realtors/Real Estate Agents in online forums - missydog1 - 11-04-2009
well I really don't like the note this is ending on.
Bullwinkle, John's office is in Kona. He is not trying to steal someone away. An agent who does want a client doesn't get it by putting up smiley faces and designations, but perhaps by sending an email through the board offering representation. That is just a silly idea that the joke is a poaching attempt.
juker, some of us who know John know he has issues with the NAR and the Kona Board, which he has discussed openly. He is not being deceptive. Why don't you ask him about the designations he uses instead of saying he is deceptive and untruthful - talk about making remarks that are uncalled for. You are defaming his professional reputation here, in my view, without bothering to investigate the situation.
RE: Realtors/Real Estate Agents in online forums - John S. Rabi - 11-04-2009
juker, it's interesting that with your only second posting on PW you pointed out the inaccuracy in my signature, but, regardless, thank you for doing it. Apparently, when I signed up on this forum I signed up as "John S Rabi" and after I became "idle" for a while I signed up again as "John S. Rabi" so there is a discrepancy in the signatures since back then I was a member of NAR.
I have been using Explorer to post on the forum for the past few years, but Explorer was down a few days ago and I accessed the forum through another browser that still had my original information saved. I didn't realize the difference.
Joining many of the other real estate companies here, my company (and I and all my agents) have not been members of any real estate organization for four(?) years. In fact, all of our material clearly indicate that we are "proudly not associated and affiliated" and if you check my postings here for the past few years you will see my signature does not include the "R" (realtor) designation.
We save about $5,000 a year (that's $20,000 for the past four years!) by not paying membership fees to these organizations that I clearly consider "country clubs" and trust me neither I nor any of my agents ever want to be part of those. We self subscribe to the same code of ethics as other real estate agents and that is also indicated in our company disclosure. If you are interested to know why we joined the list of other non-member companies feel free to e-mail me privately for more information. You can also check out my company history on my web site.
I have been a licensed real estate broker in Hawaii for 15 years. Realtor doesn't mean licensed, it means the person is a broker and is a member of NAR. It has nothing to do with licensing, knowledge or ethics.
Thank you again and I hope Rob will delete my "John S Rabi" account.
Aloha,
John S. Rabi, GM,PB,ABR,CRB,CM,FHS
808.327.3185
johnrabi@johnrabi.com
http://www.JohnRabi.com
Typically Tropical Properties
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RE: Realtors/Real Estate Agents in online forums - oink - 11-04-2009
Why don't you just edit your sig on this account??
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.
RE: Realtors/Real Estate Agents in online forums - Bullwinkle - 11-05-2009
We save about $5,000 a year (that's $20,000 for the past four years!) by not paying membership fees to these organizations that I clearly consider "country clubs" and trust me neither I nor any of my agents ever want to be part of those. We self subscribe to the same code of ethics as other real estate agents
So you operate with out oversight?
good thing to remember when choosing an agent,
This post still up (and my inbox) speaking volumes about how the industry must feel about John me thinks
Heads up John no matter how many times you indicate in your emails that Im not allowed to release them ... that is not he law ...You don't make the rules John,. I also want to give you fair warning that those private challenges are beginning to feel abusive... please keep it on the board
RE: Realtors/Real Estate Agents in online forums - Rob Tucker - 11-05-2009
Bullwinkle.... does the torture never stop?