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RE: Guns in Hawaii - Greg - 11-27-2010
People throw out catchphrases like "bleeding heart liberal" and "favoring scumbags", but I don't see what the problem with gun control is.
Why would a law abiding citizen have a problem with properly registering a firearm?
Remember: "If an unregestered gun is outlawed, only outlaws will have unregistered guns".
BTW; I've shot .38 revolvers, .45 autos, M-16's, M60's, .45 cal. "burp guns", 10-12-20Ga Shotguns. Hell, I've called in Air Strikes. Shooting is a rush! (Expert in the pistols and M-16)
I sure wish my friend Cris Randrup's dad didn't have such an easy time getting his legal weapon.
RE: Guns in Hawaii - PaulW - 11-27-2010
Why not nuclear weapons, they're arms too. Fight for your rights.
RE: Guns in Hawaii - mdd7000 - 11-27-2010
quote:It isn't a problem for most law abiding citizens to register the gun, go thru a background check, but the problem is that the laws are continually being tightened and law abiding citizens are finding it difficult to abide by the laws.
Originally posted by Greg
...Why would a law abiding citizen have a problem with properly registering a firearm?...
Isn't is interesting that Hawaii County does have a concealed carry law but no one has been authorized to carry?
RE: Guns in Hawaii - critterlover - 11-28-2010
For all my life I was a very strong proponent of gun laws. All of it. Despite the fact that I was raised by policeman. In fact, my Dad has said more often than I care to count: "If the laws that were on the books were enforced there'd be no need to make more!" My husband also became a policeman but when he brought his service weapon home he was required to break it down and put a lock on it so I knew it was no threat to me. However, as time moved on I became so acutely aware of its presence in our lives I explained to him I could no longer live in a home with a gun. As carrying a weapon is part of the 'policeman' life he had to choose between marriage and job. Fortunately, he chose family. I was 16 and inexperienced but I had an irrational fear of guns and that fear was making a significant change in my life. Ironically, having a family required he make a living so he reenlisted in the military and wound up in DaNang during the TET!!! I spent a year fretting for his safety KNOWING there were all kinds of weaponry where he was and in a war zone he was more likely to be injured than in the Los Angeles area as a policeman. However, this irrational fear has survived, as most fears do, until recently.
Having said that, I am a strong proponent of 2nd amendment rights for those who wish to embrace them, just not in my home. My very patient husband has already made the call to find out how much time and money it would take to have me face my fear in a gun safety class. I have been cogitating for 2 months since he first broached the topic.
As to the registration of firearms here when one moves here, on a recent holiday, invited to friends home for holiday meal, where it was clear I was the only 'anti' gun minded person present, there were 3 different stories by 3 different people that all had the same theme. Register your guns and expect a break in and having your firearms stolen. I have to tell you, my initial reaction was to consider the comments as simply urban legend reaffirmed by gun loving men...but then, 3 different people arriving to this island to different locales initially, over a period of years, hearing similar stories from both sides of the island on this topic may be a little more than urban legend. Who knows. In the event it is not urban legend be aware.
Toni, who is a 'critter lover'
www.write-matters.com
RE: Guns in Hawaii - Bullwinkle - 11-28-2010
" hearing similar stories from both sides of the island on this topic may be a little more than urban legend. Who knows. In the event it is not urban legend be aware."
interesting as one would think only law enforcement types would have access to the gun records....
illicit pot growers make the same argument for not registering btw.
RE: Guns in Hawaii - robguz - 11-28-2010
Within the past year there was a story about Hawaii having the lowest or near lowest gun ownership rate of any state, and consequently the lowest gun deaths. It's simple. If you want more guns out there, you want more people to die as a consequence because you cannot have one without the other.
Yes the Supreme Court with a far right majority completely ignored the militia part of the 2nd amendment. It's the first part of the amendment, so how it can be dismissed as stupidity is mind boggling. This is the same court that ruled that free speech includes corporations, even foreign ones being able to fund political campaigns without restrictions, completely undermining any remnant of democracy in this country.
And the idea that gun "rights" are being infringed is simply incorrect. Obama was recently given an F by the Brady gun control organization. The law restricting assault weapons expired under Bush and Obama hasn't even suggested reimplementing it. States like Arizona are making it ok to bring guns into bars. NRA folks should be throwing huge celebrations daily because they haven't had any significant setbacks in a long long time and they're sympathizers dominate the courts and majority of legislative bodies.
RE: Guns in Hawaii - Guest - 11-28-2010
DO NOT move here with the intention of putting "work" into changing Hawaii's gun laws. Don't bring your guns from home either. If you are planning a move here, plan to live within local laws on this issue. One of the best things about Hawaii is the lack of violent crime compared to most of the mainland. Keep your mainland paranoia away from here. To the person who said most deadly shootings here were criminals with illegal guns, please cite your source. The fact is that in areas where gun ownership is limited, gun crime is lower. Where gun ownership is a 5-minute background check, people get shot. If all handguns were illegal, no one would have them. There is no reason for a handgun outside of killing another person. Although I have heard of it, very, very few will hunt with a handgun. Also for you mainlanders moving here with you handguns for protection, you should know that under Hawaii law you cannot meet crime with a deadlier force than you are faced with. Shoot someone in your house who does not have a gun and it is murder.
Want to wave your .45 like a big dick? Do it in Oregon or Texas or Tennessee but NOT HERE!!!
Levels of violence grow with better tools of violence.
RE: Guns in Hawaii - MarkP - 11-28-2010
A belief being widespread does not by itself suggest to me that it is true.
A good friend of mine used to be an HPD officer in Honolulu. Not only were they permitted to carry their firearms concealed while off duty, they were required to do so. Some didn't carry anyway while off duty because they felt a heavy burden of responsibility, in case something unfortunate should happen where the gun caused more trouble than it prevented. Apparently they had seen enough Murphy's law stuff, coupled with what damage a malcontent could do, that some of these professionals were willing to go without.
RE: Guns in Hawaii - csgray - 11-28-2010
Do not delay on registering your guns if you move here. A friend of mine who has lived here for many many years inherited guns along with the other contents of his father's house here in Puna. The guns had been properly registered by his dad, but my friend just never got around to dealing with it while settling up the rest of his dad's estate. Fast forward 2 years and one disgruntled neighbor who reported him to the police, and my friend spent 10s of thousands of dollars on lawyers to avoid jail time and is now enduring 5 years of tight probation. Those guns were never used for anything but target practice, and in fact hadn't been fired in over a year, but they were unregistered by the new owner and the courts and police took it very seriously. All it took was a minor disagreement over a shared road and a phone call to the police and my friend's life is completely turned upside down, just because he did not register the guns in a timely fashion.
Carol
RE: Guns in Hawaii - oink - 11-28-2010
quote:You demanded he cite sources yet you didn't. Whats with that?
Originally posted by Mauka: please cite your source. The fact is that in areas where gun ownership is limited, gun crime is lower. Where gun ownership is a 5-minute background check, people get shot.
Don't bother on my account though. I don't care to have this discussion that will convince no one to change their views. I like discussing firearms with other enthusiasts but I don't want to beat my head against the wall with this repetitive argument.
Aloha!
Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.