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RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - MarkP - 07-20-2019
quote:
Originally posted by ElysianWort
quote:
Originally posted by Seeb
Does anyone know the # of professional protesters not from the big Island. the news interviewed some
What exactly is a professional protester? Does such a thing exist? I understand that many are flying in to join the protest but are there really those that get paid for it? Definition of professional.
What makes people hoard cats? People find reward in strange ways. Money isn't the only thing that people will pimp themselves out for.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - kalakoa - 07-20-2019
United States Public Law 103-105
"Rule of Law", for everyone. Just like "no parking" or "no camping" or "no blocking the road".
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - ironyak - 07-20-2019
@Frank - Of course the U.S. Supreme Court stated directly in 2009 that the state of Hawaii has title to the ceded lands free and clear regardless of the 1993 Apology Act (at which point the State Legislature passed Act 176 so that "none of the public lands in Hawaii (whether ceded or not) can be sold or transferred without a two-thirds vote by both chambers of our Legislature.") Life in this land is righteously held in perpetuum (or something
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/10105160/us-supreme-court-overturns-ruling-preventing-the-sale-of-ceded-lands/
https://www.civilbeat.org/2010/10/5914-what-are-the-ceded-lands-of-hawaii/
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 07-20-2019
it's a deadly serious struggle for their identity. For their right to self determination.
Would you say OHA should be part of that self determination process? DHHL? Would you like to see their management skills applied on a larger scale? For instance, if you compare the number of homesteads assigned and homes built by Native Hawaiians through DHHL, as compared with building permits issued through the CofH (which few would hold up as a model of efficiency), which agency provides more people with shelter? If DHHL took on a much larger role in
Should we list OHA’s accomplishments? Would you really like to see what it would be like if the
If not OHA or DHHL as an example of self determination, who would you suggest?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - Seeb - 07-20-2019
quote:They don’t seem to have jobs to go to. They just go from event to event. And talk to reporters.
Originally posted by ElysianWort
quote:
Originally posted by Seeb
Does anyone know the # of professional protesters not from the big Island. the news interviewed some
What exactly is a professional protester? Does such a thing exist? I understand that many are flying in to join the protest but are there really those that get paid for it? Definition of professional.
I have been at incidents on the mainland when a half a dozen out of state charter busses full of protesters all ready with signs, some of which had nothing to do with what was going on
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - PaulW - 07-20-2019
"We the undersigned have a responsibility not to stay silent in the face of injustice."
Like ignoring court rulings?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - reni - 07-20-2019
HOPE..
".Oh really?
The scions, the bloodline of those who initiated a system which robbed the Hawaiian people of their religion, culture, dance, and oral traditions now, finally, after 200 years of overt oppression and cultural destruction claim church leaders have a responsibility not to stay silent?"
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What? Christians engaged in Hypocrisy ? Not here in Hawaii, can't be
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - ironyak - 07-20-2019
Sample of today's activities - speaches, hula, teaching chants. Mayor Kim in attendance and making the rounds.
https://www.facebook.com/kakoohaleakala/videos/395281881125635/
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - Frank - 07-20-2019
quote:
Originally posted by ironyak
@Frank - Of course the U.S. Supreme Court stated directly in 2009 that the state of Hawaii has title to the ceded lands free and clear regardless of the 1993 Apology Act (at which point the State Legislature passed Act 176 so that "none of the public lands in Hawaii (whether ceded or not) can be sold or transferred without a two-thirds vote by both chambers of our Legislature.") Life in this land is righteously held in perpetuum (or something
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/10105160/us-supreme-court-overturns-ruling-preventing-the-sale-of-ceded-lands/
https://www.civilbeat.org/2010/10/5914-what-are-the-ceded-lands-of-hawaii/
ironyak, thank you for the reads...I think one can not give away that which is not legitimately owned...such is the case of the US giving back the ceded lands to the State...Ceded lands were not theirs (US) to give to anyone.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - leilanidude - 07-20-2019
above taken from wikipedia...I think the ceded lands belong to the Hawaiians...that is the issue...ceded lands are the Engine that drive this State...airports, harbors, Mauna Kia, the Hawaiians own all the land these drivers occupy
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Technically, if you go with that, is not every bit of every island, ceded lands?