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RE: Volcano acting up - csgray - 11-20-2007
During pahoehoe producing eruptive events lava tubes are continually formed, abandoned, and new ones formed all across the flow field. If you look where roads or home sites have been cut through pahoehoe you will see small scale versions. When lava forms channels they eventually crust over which can then form tubes, but tubes also are formed when the lava pushes seeps out from beneath the edges of the channel. The important thing to remember is that any given tube can and will get blocked and be abandoned, and formerly abandoned tubes can reactivate.
According to the 3-dimensional plastic scale map I looked at (thank you Basically Books) the eastern moving flows are all on one side of the ridge which blocks them from going south, the southern flow is squeezing through between two old cones in one of the few places this eruption can head south. At any time the tube feeding that flow could get blocked and the lava flow could resume its north or eastward march. Or go somewhere else entirely. The seeps on the north side have increased in the last 48 hours and tonight there is incandescence pretty far to the left on the webcam. Some of the best webcam viewing seems to be about 4:30 am Hawaii time, I just put it on and watch the light show while I get ready for work.
carol
RE: Volcano acting up - PunaLover - 11-20-2007
Yes indeed there are tubes, lol been in many that aren't on the map or the "guide". From Parker Ranch to Naaleu to right here in HPP . this one tube you can walk through under 130 from HA into HPP. I have them all around me. Most collasped but 2 lots over is where I'm going if we ever have a hurricane land.
The last time down on the flow, was a few years back, from the east side, i walked out with my hani son. His 1st trip out there, my? 20th? The way we went out, was not the way we came back because we could not. cracks we stepped across had opened wider than you were gonna jump across. We were on a plate over a tube. It was a little scarey for a bit, more worry about da boy, but I worked our way around it and this is at night. Crazy?
Not as many times as I've been that close to her, that I no fear her, mor like aloha.
plenty respect. With white night rainbows and double rings around the moon. THE most beautiful sight I have ever seen was the time standing on the beach a was lookin in to her eyes.
i think it's time to go see soon....or try wait
meet her at Pohiki..
KEEP PUNA RURAL
RE: Volcano acting up - Rob Tucker - 11-21-2007
There is a smell of sulphur in the air in Pahoa Village this morning and those low white clouds to the south west are more likely plume than anything else.
RE: Volcano acting up - DanielP - 11-21-2007
Jerry,
I dunno, but from the maps that I am reading, there are no ridges between the 1600' elevation Southeast of Pu'u Kia'i and the ocean.
This mornings update will be very interesting.
Dan
Edited by - DanielP on 11/21/2007 07:25:26
RE: Volcano acting up - Kelena - 11-21-2007
If there is a smell of sulpher in Pahoa it is due to one of two things: 1) George W. Bush stopped in for a drink at Luquin's --
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/20/chavez.un/index.html --, or 2) The Volcano is acting up.
Soon I will post a poll on Punaweb friends so that we see where and when everyone thinks this is comin' down.
RE: Volcano acting up - PunaLover - 11-21-2007
kinda insensitive Glen if you are in the path. It's exciting but it ain't a game. Slow at the moment she can be as deadly as the firestorms in CA. In fact she could start one. Fire dept should be making daily flights out there,
KEEP PUNA RURAL
RE: Volcano acting up - hooligal - 11-21-2007
Yup, not a game, but could be turned into a fundraiser. Folks take a guess for $2. The "winner" gets bragging rights, but the proceeds go to renting moving vans or storage for folks who are displaced.
Looking for a silver lining - not meant to offend or take anyone's potential loss lightly
RE: Volcano acting up - hooligal - 11-21-2007
So, if Pele does threaten homes, will FEMA (ha) or the HI government help people relocate ahead of time? Or do residents have to wait until the disaster has already hit to receive aid?
As Pele looms closer, I'd feel better if we have a community voulenteer list. Somewhere folks can offer up help to evacuate/move household items, trucks to help move, shipping containers for storage, land to store containers on, extra rooms for folks, etc. Plus start a line of communication with U-haul, storage facilities, container sellers & container truckers so things move quickly once the real threat is obvious?
I ask because my sister & nephews were stuck in NoLa for 8 days after Katrina. She survived (literally) on the graciousness of strangers and neighbors she'd never met. The government left her high & dry.
My gut instinct tells me Puna will come out in force to help each other when Pele arrives. Are there any words of advice from folks who were around for the Kalapana flow?
RE: Volcano acting up - csgray - 11-21-2007
It is 6:06 pm Hawaii time and the VOG has cleared from the web cam, there is a river of lava now running from vent D in the OPPOSITE direction from where it has been running. This started at 6 this morning.
http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/cam3/ is the link.
carol
RE: Volcano acting up - Rob Tucker - 11-21-2007
Hooligal,
To the best of my memory county civil defense was offering free training this summer and building community teams of disaster response citizens.
You, or others, may want to check with CD on that status. I also do know they were actively updating their contacts of local commuity groups to build a "phone tree" to reach into communities and reach those hard to reach people
It seemed practical and prudent for the county to do this. Better to have locals prepared in a pinch than to try to depend on importing personel quickly.
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