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RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - kimo wires - 08-02-2015
Never heard of any country being handed back after a Coup d'état. Dream on.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - PunaMauka2 - 08-02-2015
Kaimana. That's not an answer to the question. You are sidestepping a simple and direct question fundamental to the reality of the entire contention you are outlining.
Obviously it's not like you or I can decide that Hawaii was never a state and expect everyone to agree and the laws magically appear to allow a transition from a state to a kingdom. Just because you say it isn't a state doesn't make it so.
So, how's it going to happen? ...in actual reality, not just in Punaweb theory.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - Kaimana - 08-02-2015
My whole argument is based on if Hawaii is being occupied, not based on succession, so I have no answer to your question since it has nothing to do with my argument.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - PunaMauka2 - 08-02-2015
"My whole argument is based on if Hawaii is being occupied,...
"if". So what do you realistically see as the legal process by which to have this legally determined and then recognized by the federal government.
Something much more than theoretical debate and just some people saying so on places such as social media.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - kalakoa - 08-02-2015
legally determined and then recognized by the federal government
US Government will simply refuse to acknowledge the determination, just as it does with other inconvenient decisions.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - PunaMauka2 - 08-02-2015
Kalakoa, the US government routinely ignores decisions made by the judiciary branch, up to and including The Supreme Court? ...news to me.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - kalakoa - 08-02-2015
decisions made by the judiciary branch
I doubt the Supremes will rule against Statehood; the determination would have to come from outside the US, and as such, it will be summarily ignored.
That said: assuming a determination is made and that the US Government abides by that decision, what happens next? The military shuts down Joint Base Hickam, citizens have a mass exodus back to the mainland? Really?
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - PunaMauka2 - 08-02-2015
Kalakoa asks: "...what happens next?"
Whoa, slow down there cowpoke. Cool your jets. One question at a time. I'm still working on getting an answer from Kaimana to the first question. ...or something close to it. She's the one who seems to be leading the charge here.
RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - bananahead - 08-02-2015
Hawaiian Kingdom uh OK
The forceful takover of the lower main 5 islands and later these taken islands (+ Kauai) were called the 'Hawaiian Kingdom', lasted only 83 years TOTAL (1810-1893) ....groups of people that called Hawaii home lived in the islands for about 1,600 years TOTAL ...
if you can somehow give the Hawaiian Kingdom back to so called 'Hawaiians' (most so called Hawaiians NOW are hapa asian, hapa haole, hapa pacific islanders, etc.)... then Maui, Molokai, and Oahu will NEED to become their own Separate Kingdoms too.... as they were ALL taken in 1795 by war with force/extreme violence by Kamehameha I ...
and Kauai gave in by 1810, or would have been slaughtered in the same forceful way
the violent twisted minds of pre1819 (Kapu) Hawaiian kings/chiefs.....
ie in trying to conquered all the island, Kamehameha I requested military assistance and the use of guns, cannons, artillery from Capt George Vancouver and in exchange "ceded" the island of Hawaii to Great Britain in February 1794...... this wasnt the first and only time a Hawaiian king/chief screwed his people with greed and 'gave away' parts of Hawaii to Haole...
Another example of greed screwing over your own people... King Kamehameha I also killed thousands of his own innocent people by forcing them to drop all important everyday activities to go for weeks at a time and cut iliahi (sandalwood) in the forest and take the logs by foot to the coast to send by ship to China in exchange for materialistic rubbish.... thousands of men HAD to do this, or die, often dieing while doing it as well... thus many men (and woman and children) eventually starved to death because the men were ALL gone and their food crops etc. were heavily neglected...
lets all go back to 1795 and have a bloody good old time.. and you woman, go eat a banana and DIE!! lol
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RE: Potential restrictions to Mauna Kea access - Kaimana - 08-02-2015
quote:
Originally posted by PunaMauka2
Kalakoa asks: "...what happens next?"
Whoa, slow down there cowpoke. Cool your jets. One question at a time. I'm still working on getting an answer from Kaimana to the first question. ...or something close to it. She's the one who seems to be leading the charge here.
I'm a man.